Pluripod S01E01 - 'We is Us'
Pluripod S01E01 Transcript
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Matt: [00:00:00] Welcome to Pluripod. This is a podcast all about the Apple TV show, pluribus, uh, from Vince Gilligan, and we're super excited to share the show with you. I'm joined by my cohost, Victoria Glin. I'm Matt Waterworth. We talk about every episode of the show, uh, this season, and we're super excited to share those conversations with you.
Just a heads up, we get right into spoilers. Uh, there's not really any, any break or warning beforehand. So this is it. Uh, make sure you're watching the episodes of the show before you're tuning into episodes of our show. And if you have any questions about our show or looking for a link of any kind, it's all gonna be on plu pod.com.
So thankful you'd join us. Let's jump right into it. Why don't you tell us a little bit about, about who you are? Um, and then I'll talk about my favorite subject, me, uh, and then, uh, and then we'll maybe talk about, uh, like who we are.
Victoria: Okay.
Matt: As Calgary filmmakers, we're already sort of like, um. Talking about that, but let's start with an intro for who you are.
Victoria: Who I am. Well, I am Victoria Glin and, uh, you know, multifaceted artist type [00:01:00] as we do so, I mean, I started. In the fashion world, like 12 years ago. So, uh, modeling was kind of first, it wasn't what I anticipated doing. I just literally had no confidence and, uh, wanted to do it after high school, after being bullied, so,
oh, cool.
I just kind of built up from there. But yeah, I, one day one friend posted about some background acting work and I'm like, Hey, you know, work while being on set and mm-hmm. Meeting cool people. I could work two times and get paid twice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I was like, sure. And I just completely fell in love with how film sets and film life and film is, and fashion is so much fun.
But I find that it can be like very one dimensional, you know, like Blue Steel, like, and I love that movie, you know? But you often get like either super cool and serious or like. Super commercial and fun and bubbly, which is great, but we don't really see any of [00:02:00] the other ranges of emotions as often.
Right.
So I love the complexity of film. So I mean, I ended up doing. Uh, screen Acting Academies program for their film, television performance school. Mm-hmm. And that was fun. So Mike Ra was in Ottawa. That's where I met him when I was doing my undergrad there. And yeah, took his program. Now he's moved out here.
He and I are now producing partners. Mm-hmm. And. He's, I call him like he's Italian and French, so I call him like my film godfather. Right. He's when he suggests like other allies that you hang out with when they, you know, when they have a lot more wisdom than you do, you just follow along if you can, you know, so I.
Acting was next, I guess. And I've done like some Netflix shows. I've done some video games, I've done some voiceover. I've done a little bit of everything. Yeah. Sweet. So it's been really fun. But as the industry goes, you know, it's never what you anticipate. So it's a [00:03:00] roller coaster. And then during the pandemic.
I've had a camera for like, I don't know, since I was like 12,
right?
So when auditions went virtual and remote, then I like bought a better camera and I started investing in doing like photography and videography work and self tapes, of course. 'cause you gotta learn to do all the hats. Mm-hmm. As best you can.
Anyway, it's a constant learning program. But, um, yeah. So I mean, it really just depends on the project. Yeah. But, uh. I love storytelling. I love human complexities. My undergraduate is in criminology and psychology. So like why we do what we do and why we're motivated to do that I think is fascinating. And uh, my family had a promotional marketing business for like 20 years.
So brand psychology and branding and yeah, it all comes full circle to me 'cause we still need to be like grounded in our acting performance. Mm-hmm. Uh, but. The more we can learn about every part of the production, the better. So,
Matt: so true.
Victoria: [00:04:00] Doing production is a lot of fun and I see the business side of it, so I have a lot of fun that way, and I'm not afraid to make business deals and help people with that.
So, uh, producing is what I've been doing a lot. Yeah.
Matt: Cool.
Victoria: Lately, which is fun.
Matt: Amazing.
Victoria: Yeah, it's, it's awesome. But, uh, whatever I can do to be on set and I'm always willing to learn. I'm always open for constructive criticism and, uh. Yeah. So many hats. But,
Matt: and I, I have to say like as much as, as much as we want to talk about the show Pluribus and I promise we'll get to it, uh, it's, it's been very cool to see the splash that you've made in this community.
Like I've been, I've been working in the, you know, the Calgary and Alberta film television community for. 17 years and, uh, and it's like, it's, it's cool to see, uh, you dive in and just like make things happen. And it's, it's inspiring to be honest with you. It's easy to get complacent and then, and then to see you be like, I'm just gonna make stuff happen is very cool.
And, and it's, and it's, it, it's a good sign for our industry too. That, [00:05:00] and, you know, we need more people to come to the, the, the. Calgary film and television industry and, um, and sometimes people leave to go other to other jurisdictions. So it's cool to to point to you and say like, oh, look at the success that you're having here.
Um, it's very cool. So, uh, a little bit about me, uh, and I, and I think, I don't know how much time have you had? 48 hours maybe since I asked you to do this. So, so thank you for, for jumping in. Um,
Victoria: no problem. Thank you for the invite.
Matt: Yeah, of course. I'm
Victoria: super
Matt: excited. I think it's gonna be fun.
Victoria: Yeah.
Matt: So, uh. So I'm a filmmaker here, obviously, uh, in, in Calgary, and I'm, I've also been a podcaster.
I had a, I had a podcast where we did audio only, we did over a hundred episodes. It was about the Alberta film and television community. Um, and, and, yeah.
Victoria: Yes.
Matt: Where's, where's the audience?
Victoria: Like 95% of podcasts shut down before the hundredth episode. It's true, and I've run two podcasts in the last five years.
Yeah. It's hard. It's, it didn't get there, but we. Where is it? Let's do it. I'm psyched
Matt: for [00:06:00] sure.
Victoria: Yeah.
Matt: So, uh, so yeah, I, I like you, I come from like, sort of a storytelling background and, and will be watching the show with, with those perspectives, obviously. Um, I'm just, uh, I'm, I'm a huge fan of Vince Gilligan as well, and, and I I also teach film and I'm lucky enough to teach a writing class sometimes.
Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and I actually have a lecture on Walter White. Right. Like, I, I think Walter White is one of the great. Uh, creations in, in, I'll use the word cinematic history, even though it's television. Um, but, uh, so I've been very excited about this show for, for a while. Um, and so excited that I went to, uh, New York during New York Comic-Con.
I drove there from Calgary, and if you don't know, that's, uh, it took me about four days. Uh, you know, it's about 34 hours of straight driving. So, um,
Victoria: I drove from Kitchener here.
Oh,
right. Just over two years ago. I know that ride
was that.
Uh, well, it was the middle of February, so it was like [00:07:00] 37 hours. Okay.
But, uh, yeah. I mean, you don't realize it, but Ontario tastes like a day and a half. Oh, for
Matt: sure.
Victoria: And the prairies took one, all three of them together,
Matt: right? Yeah.
Victoria: Yeah.
Matt: It's crazy. Yeah. And I, I went through the US so Montana is, ah, to say it was like a full day. Um, anyway, so I went to see, I went to see the, uh, like, I guess it was like a sneak peek of the first two episodes of Pluribus.
Um, they surprised us with a podcast recording, uh, of the podcast. Um, sad, happy, confused. Um, and, uh. So Vince was there, uh, and the cast were there. A few, a few cast members. So how
Victoria: exciting that
Matt: Yeah. Was. Must
Victoria: have been.
Matt: It was pretty great. Yeah, it was.
Victoria: Did you get to chat with them?
Matt: No, I didn't. I kind of maybe sh I, I don't know.
I'm not, I'm not, I don't really, I don't, maybe I should have. I, I, I feel weird talking, like going up to, to. I did get Vince's autograph, um, although that was pre-signed, so I didn't, I didn't get to see him do that. But, [00:08:00] um, the other interesting thing, I, I forget if I've told you this, is they had us, they put a, like, if you wanted to, you could step into a box and record a message for, for carer.
Um, and. And of course, you know, at that point we'd seen the episode, so we knew what this was all about. But, um, I got to release some episodes and you could see it on my, my Instagram, uh, not episodes, some clips of me, um, just like apologizing to Carol for upsetting her. And, um, and so that was, that was pretty cool that.
I was hoping that, that they had suggested that that might appear in an episode. I don't know if that's gonna happen or not. Maybe it will. Um, but they did do a pretty, uh, cool video, uh, of, of people including Brian Cranston and Aaron Paul, uh, doing, doing. The lines like, we're sorry, Carol, you know, please join us, sort of thing.
Um, yeah, so, uh, so yeah, that was a pretty cool experience. Um, and they gave us donuts and [00:09:00] if you, oh, if you've seen the episode
Victoria: Sugar Donuts.
Matt: Yeah. They were, they were like individual boxes. And I actually saved the box that's around here somewhere. Uh, and I was pretty nervous to. The donut because of,
Victoria: of course,
Matt: the licking that happened.
What
Victoria: we've seen.
Matt: Exactly, exactly.
Victoria: Can't be
Matt: unseen.
Victoria: So
Matt: yeah. So that's a little bit about us. That's a little bit about my trip to New York. Let's talk about the first episode of Pluribus. And I know you, you took some notes,
Victoria: I did take some notes
Matt: and you can guide us through Yeah. Uh, a little bit. Thank you for doing that.
Victoria: I love me. My little notes through another life.
Matt: It's great.
Victoria: Yeah.
Matt: Very important.
Victoria: Thank you. Well, I mean, even as stuff was going on, I was messaging you. 'cause there were parts that I'm, you know, I feel like, like we mentioned earlier, there's no boundaries to this show. So it's a lot of like, and I love it.
It's in the best way that I feel like my mind's getting blown.
Matt: For sure.
Victoria: You know? Yeah. So it starts at like 439 days on the screen. Right. And it doesn't explain what that means. And we see these scientists that are. [00:10:00] Receiving a genetic code and they don't understand who it came from, and it's like 600 light years away and they don't get.
Was happening. And then
Matt: they're, they're pretty convinced it's not an alien thing at first, but they keep taking guesses and they keep getting proven wrong. And so it seems pretty clear that it is coming from a non-human source.
Victoria: Yes. 'cause it had like the one pattern where it was opening through it and then they notice that it's a DNA sequence.
Yeah. 'cause there's four genomes. Yeah.
Matt: And, and I thought that's a pretty good way to deliver that information too, because of course I think all, all our brains are going like, well, couldn't it be. Something else or some something bouncing off the moon. As, as they said a few times,
Victoria: they said Morse code too.
Right. Which was a valid thing, you know, it's a good expression to see. And
Matt: Well, and it turned out that it was quad code. I think they, they said like, yeah, four different, I don't know if I fully understand that, but, but yeah,
Victoria: I think it was like the DNA sequence code. Yes,
Matt: that's
Victoria: right. Yeah,
Matt: for
Victoria: sure. So that's fascinating.
Yeah. But like, you [00:11:00] see it at first when it was just small and you're do, do, do, do, do. You're like, okay.
Matt: Yeah.
Victoria: But, um. That was just, it had me hooked right out the gate with the scientist being like, well, they have, whatever it is, has to be saying more than just hello.
Matt: Mm-hmm.
Victoria: Right. Because,
Matt: right.
Victoria: Why would you, why would
Matt: you go to this trouble?
Victoria: Yes. But also, what is it? 'cause they can't figure out, they don't, they don't know what it is yet, so. Right. It cuts to 71 days.
Mm-hmm.
So 439 to 71. We're almost like a year-ish.
Yeah,
right.
For sure.
Uh, so then we cut to Carol, who we've, we were first meeting for the first time and she is reading part of her fourth book that she's launched very successfully to a group of women that are just.
Gawing over her spicy literature, nonfiction, romance history, novel, um, and it's very busy. And at the end of it, the [00:12:00] driver says, you know, should I know who you are? That was very busy. And she says. Depends, are you a fan of Mindless Crown? Right?
Matt: Yeah.
Victoria: You know? So
Matt: what did you think of that? Of like, especially the, the scene where, where I guess the montage of people coming up and like getting a, a signature with, with, with, you know, Carol and the, the incredible race, sea horn.
Um, I, what did you think of the, of those, of those moments, those people?
Victoria: It's so interesting because recently I've been finding myself really enjoying romance.
Matt: Okay.
Victoria: Like TV shows. Sure, yeah. And things like that. So I mean, I can totally see the appeal to it. Absolutely. But, um. I think that's kind of the whole thing to all of it is I can see the juxtaposition of like how great it is, but also how tacky it can be.
Like there's a line.
Matt: Yeah. Yeah.
Victoria: Right. So that's interesting. And also how it basically [00:13:00] foreshadows the idea of like. This collective loves her.
Matt: Mm-hmm.
Victoria: And she's like, I don't care.
Matt: Interesting.
Victoria: You know, that's,
Matt: that's an interesting reflection, right? Like she's, she's so beloved. And then if you fast forward, she's kind of beloved by the entire planet.
Victoria: Mm-hmm.
Matt: Later on, we'll get, we'll get to that. But that, I didn't think of that before. She's already kind of. She's already like experienced this, like, oh, everyone loves me. Everyone treats me really nicely. That's interesting.
Victoria: Well, the tagline I think for Pluribus is like the world's most miserable woman f the planet from happiness.
Right? So I love how this is so different from anything we've been seeing on tv.
Matt: Yeah,
Victoria: yeah. You know, so yeah, like that idea, but. You know, I don't know, as an author, like, I've also written and published a book earlier this year, and I'm like, if I had a bunch of people that were like fawning over my book, like, isn't that every author or every writer or every playwright's dream?
Right? Right,
right. So, and like Helen kind of points at [00:14:00] that later.
Mm-hmm.
Um, it cuts to like 29 days and the doctors, so now we've had another 50 days. Mm-hmm. And ish. And the doctors are. We're back at the science center and they're the security gentleman's trying to figure out, like poking a little bit.
And there's a bunch of donuts as you mentioned, you know, and it says, please help yourself. And trying to figure out what's. You know, what, what is the sequence code here? And they said, yeah, he's
Matt: trying to figure out if they just, what they're doing. I dont know if he even knows. And, and if they're having any success or is it they've
Victoria: had none is essentially what it means to KSU buck,
Matt: they say.
Yeah.
Victoria: Yeah.
Matt: Um, and, and, and, yeah. And I guess they're there to, to kill a bunch of rats, is
Victoria: it? To me, it seems like rap testing.
Matt: Yes,
Victoria: you're doing a bunch of animal testing for sure. To try to figure out what it is
Matt: for sure. Yeah. But I guess the, like the specific job, it seemed like, it sounded like they're gonna kill all these rats that they've been testing on.
Victoria: Hmm.
Matt: As just, it just seems like [00:15:00] kind of part of the day-to-day. I don't know if that's, I mean I guess they do have to do that, uh, which is kind of dark, but
Victoria: Yeah. 'cause she was asking, he was asking her to like gas them or something and she didn't want to, but then he said, maybe you're in the wrong job.
Which is kind of funny because, you know, just. We all have things with our work that we may not want to do. Sure. Okay. But we all have to do it. Uh, there's just so much to it that you could dive into and, and question on so many different parts. Um, but yeah. Then so they, the doctors examine with their hazmat suits, these rats and their looks to be a rat that's not moving.
Mm-hmm. And she pulls it out and then it. Comes to life and it bites her. Right. And it goes, she had of course, two gloves on. Mm-hmm. But she hit the one off 'cause she couldn't feel the heartbeat and the, the proper movement of it. Yeah. And then it broke the skin. Yeah. And then, you know, she curses and the other doctor sees if she's okay and tries to help, and then she starts seizing.
Mm-hmm. Like she stops responding, [00:16:00] she's not able to have a conversation and he's trying to help her and like pulling her out of still having to go through the medical procedures of getting washed down. Yeah. And all that stuff. And then it,
Matt: when, when I watched this for the second time, I was like, like, uh, the.
The, the one who doesn't get bit.
Victoria: Yeah.
Matt: Says, says, make sure you flush it out and like, like squeeze out,
Victoria: squeeze
Matt: it the blood.
Victoria: Yeah.
Matt: Which of course makes total sense. I'd never thought of that. But if, yeah, if you're getting potentially contamination through, you'd want to
Victoria: if a snake bit you
Matt: or Right. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. And so obviously she did not. Succeed at that in time or maybe that, maybe that, who knows? We don't know how this thing works. No, but, but I, but this is the first indication to me that this is something, and, and certainly what, what happens right after is that this is like an evil, um, invasion of the body snatchers sort of situation.
Mm-hmm. Where, where human beings are going to be, you know, controlled by this, this alien presence and. It [00:17:00] was that rat's like performance. Mm-hmm. Right. Because it was performing. Mm-hmm. It was pretending to be dead.
Victoria: Mm-hmm.
Matt: Uh, and they even said something like, about the vitals being good, and then it bites.
So I'm like, okay, well this is not like that's a bad thing to do. Right. Yeah. And as, as we proceed with the episode, we discover that it's more of a benevolent force and, and we'll get there. I, I like Carol has every right to, I think, be suspicious of it given the way this has happened. I mean, taking over the planet, uh, is also not a very cool thing to do, but Keep going.
Sorry.
Victoria: No, no. You're all good. And it's, it's true. There's so much, just like what? Is it was playing dead.
Matt: Yeah.
Victoria: It wasn't,
Matt: yeah,
Victoria: it wasn't dead. It was playing.
Matt: Right. And whether or not this is like a good entity or bad entity or, or whatever it even is, uh, that seems like doing something that. It's that, and this individual doesn't want, and, and we will, [00:18:00] you know, we'll get to, to the phone call later, but they, you know, they, the others I think is what they call them on the, on the official podcast.
Um, they say, Carol, your life is your own.
Victoria: Mm-hmm.
Matt: But like that, that doctor, that first bite, she didn't. Get it a say in whether or not, and nobody appar, I don't believe, got a say. And there's even a, there's even an allusion to the fact that the military detected that this was going on at one point and, and then presumably the entity beat them all.
This happens, you know, off, off.
Victoria: I mean, and it depends on the perspective. 'cause from the rats perspective, right? Like, did it wanna be in that box? Right.
Matt: Sure enough. Yeah.
Victoria: So, you know, it's,
Matt: yeah.
Victoria: Ah.
Matt: Yes.
Victoria: So much to it, right?
Matt: Yeah. Yeah. Keep going. 'cause the, 'cause there's more. And even next episode there's more information about that.
I think
Victoria: so. Yeah. She starts seizing, the gentleman, pulls her out, we cut to it, the security guy's doing his run through. And then, uh, c. The doctor comes through and the most [00:19:00] awkward, like just falling into someone kiss you've ever seen.
Matt: Yeah. It's not a romantic
Victoria: No. Just it was like an attack. Yeah. Yeah. Like it was a biological
Matt: For sure.
Victoria: You know, and then, and they've, then they start licking donuts and then it all gets kind of like locked down and going nuts. Yeah. From, but you, you don't know what's going on.
Matt: They, they had hired actors at the screening in New York. They hired actors or. Performers of some kind to come in with wheeling donuts and they were wearing those multicolored.
You, you know, there's that shot where they're all like, they're doing a bunch of testing and it's a bunch of scientists and this big shot, and they're all wearing like different, they're all kinda like pastelly, but it's like these multicolored, like scrubby, sort of like lab coat things. Mm-hmm. Um, they had, they had them come into the movie theater.
And hand us all donuts. And I just, I just couldn't eat it. Mm-hmm. I couldn't eat it. I did eventually, once I saw that, everyone else,
Victoria: a little bit of Pavlovian,
Matt: right? Yeah,
Victoria: exactly. In here. Yeah,
Matt: for sure.
Victoria: What I, I listened to a podcast on my way over here a little bit and, [00:20:00] uh. His comment was talking about the use of color here.
Matt: Mm-hmm.
Victoria: Because the individuality of the different pastels. But you know, if you go to a lab, at least my understanding are like a hospital, right? Like they're all wearing the same colors.
Matt: Yeah.
Victoria: The uniformity versus the individuality.
Matt: Yeah.
Victoria: Interesting. Right? Interesting. So it's just kind of like Easter egging into it that's like.
Oh, it's a reoccurring theme that happened for sure.
Matt: Yeah.
Victoria: Here for sure.
Matt: And everything by design, right? Like nothing certainly felt that way with Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul. Nothing this team seems to do is like accidental or like it's all very, very thought out. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And if you listen to the, the official podcast, uh, the production designer is on one of the episodes talking about building Carol's neighborhood.
How amazing and difficult that that process was and, and it just goes to show how much thought they put into everything that they do. And yeah, I'm sure it's intentional. Yeah,
Victoria: it's just, I think it's fascinating, even just as the viewer, and that's why watching it more than once is just like [00:21:00] from a filmmaker's perspective, like.
Every scene that we're going to, there's so many pieces to it that like, you almost miss it. Like I did see the pastel colors the first time I washed it. Yeah. But it didn't even like,
Matt: yeah, it didn't really,
Victoria: there was so much going on that I wasn't even, and then the gentleman commented and I was like, okay.
Matt: Yeah. Yeah.
Victoria: You know. Um, so then we hit zero days and Helen and Carol are at the airport. Helen is her. You realize later is like her romantic partner. Mm-hmm. But her agent as well. Her marketing assistant.
Yeah.
And I thought that was really cute how she like goes and moves. I'm getting some gum at the airport and she moves.
Matt: Oh yes.
Victoria: Her partner's books at the top. 'cause whenever it's closest in view, same with like grocery store shopping.
Matt: Yes.
Victoria: You're more likely to buy the product. Right. At I view. Yeah. I just thought that was so cute.
Matt: We, and like. I guess that's how I took it as well. I was a little concerned that, like, [00:22:00] does that, does that make Carol seem like kind of shitty in a way?
Like is it, like, is that like, uh, I don't think it's a big enough. Like, like it's just kind of like, oh, you rascal sort of, sort of thing. Uh, but I was nervous that, like that. Does that say that she's kind of like a. Yeah. Not a great person. Um, but I don't think it's bad enough to,
Victoria: I mean, I feel like people spent a certain amount of money to get to that level, so perhaps she couldn't afford it.
Matt: Sure.
Victoria: Is one option or two. I don't even know if she asked her to do it, but her partner did it anyway.
Matt: I think she asked her. She didn't say it. Yeah. But she used the word
Victoria: tried it,
Matt: but there was like a stop and like a look and,
Victoria: yeah.
Matt: Okay. I'm gonna go get some gum. That was, yeah, I, I, I mean that was my interpretation, but.
Who knows if, like, we don't know if, like maybe they, maybe they paid to have it up there and, and it wasn't there and she was just correcting. Who knows? But
Victoria: the more I know, the more I know nothing
Matt: if so true. Yeah, me too.
Victoria: But even with, uh. [00:23:00] Like her, her doing that and her flipping it, you were like, okay. Uh, I mean, it kind of shows you Carol's character that comes into question.
If you're like playing Dungeons and Dragons, like was that chaotic, good, chaotic, neutral, or chaotic? Evil? It was chaotic 'cause it was like weird and kind of out there. Yeah. They're having a drink at the bar and we learn that. She says at the airport that she'll drive and she says No. 'cause she had a drink two hours ago and there's a breathalyzer in the car.
So back to what type of a person is Carol? She has a breathalyzer in her car.
Matt: Mm-hmm.
Victoria: Which is a complicated subject in and of itself, you know.
Matt: That's fair. And like is, is it fair to say she's an alcoholic? She certainly doesn't seem to think so.
Victoria: She doesn't seem to think so. And then later throughout the episode, she's heavily drinking.
Matt: Right.
Victoria: But at the same time, like. I would probably be needing a vice pretty hard, whatever that might look like.
Matt: And and she's obviously like without the, the fact that the planet's being taken over by something, she's [00:24:00] obviously having a crisis of conscious as a creative, right? Like, she's like, okay, great.
Here's another book that she obviously doesn't think is substantially. Like an entry into, you know, the world of literature that is like meaningful and substantial. She obviously, based on, you know, what she says to the driver, it's not, it's not something meaningful to her. Obviously.
Victoria: I think we see that with artists a lot.
Like people will get hired to do the job because they need the funds and a
Matt: hundred percent
Victoria: they wanna perform it, but that's not necessarily something that really motivates them.
Matt: Absolutely. So, so she's drinking.
Victoria: Mm-hmm.
Matt: I wonder because. She's just like, okay, the book's just come out. It's getting great reviews.
I, I wonder if a part of her even wanted it to not be well received.
Victoria: Well, I think also in her case, like when Helen asks her later about, you know, can you respond to the audience about
Matt: Yeah.
Victoria: Your, who the lover is inspired by? And it [00:25:00] tells us, it shows us that the. Pirate gentleman is inspired by Helen.
Mm-hmm. But she responds and says George Clooney. And so, I mean, you could be drinking because you're not being honest.
Matt: Right.
Victoria: You know, like that could be,
Matt: yeah. That she doesn't feel like she can be, she doesn't with her fans.
Victoria: Yeah. To be honest or like. Maybe she has to respond in that manner to get a better following, or who knows?
Matt: I wonder if it'll come back in any major way. I mean, the next episode is called Pirate Lady, I think. Mm-hmm. So it does in that sense. But, but the, this idea that she is sort of in a cage of her own making through this success is, is an interesting one. Yeah. So we'll see.
Victoria: Right?
Matt: Yeah.
Victoria: Yep. Well, I mean, you see that too with people in general where.
Or just the idea of you've been wanting something for so long.
Matt: Mm-hmm.
Victoria: You thought you did, then you get it, and then you get it and it's not.
Matt: It's not
Victoria: the way you want, the joy you were looking for, right? Yeah. But, um,
Matt: and like you said before, and meanwhile, like [00:26:00] thousands of other creatives would kill for that kind of success.
It's
Victoria: Right. So that's kind of the juxtaposition of all of it. And when Helen encourages her to write her own book, she says like, do you think someone, will anyone actually wanna read it?
Matt: Mm-hmm. And
Victoria: she said,
Matt: like a book that. Is creatively fulfilling. Yes. And it's not like that. Yeah. Yeah.
Victoria: And challenging.
That's the idea. She wanted a book that, it's called Bitter Chrysalis. So like the whole idea is that it's gonna be a slog
Matt: Yeah.
Victoria: To read through it.
Matt: Yeah.
Victoria: Uh, but, but it's
Matt: gonna be her baby. Like, it's gonna be something she's doing for herself, not for anyone else.
Victoria: Yeah. And if I can make one person happy, it may not be art, but at least it's something.
Matt: No, isn't that good. Quote,
Victoria: right? Yeah. Like, isn't that. Fascinating. And you found like your real audience. Yeah. Your true group of communion, right?
Matt: This is, yeah. This is cool to talk about because again, we're jumping ahead a little bit like Helen dies and this is kind of her last conversation with, with Carol.
Victoria: Yeah. Is that, and then the Gerard Butler comments.
Matt: Right, right.
Victoria: Yeah, yeah. And then she [00:27:00] seizes.
Matt: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. So, so, so kind of their parting words are her saying, you gotta write your book. And there's the George Clooney moment too, but, but it really does feel like that's, that's important. I hope it comes back.
I hope they don't leave this thread. Hanging. Um,
Victoria: even the, when did you start smoking? And she says now Yeah, because clearly she asked Helen for a smoke. So Helen smokes.
Matt: Mm.
Victoria: But she doesn't drink 'cause she's driving for her. Yes. Yeah. But
Matt: she even does the breathalyzer.
Victoria: Yeah. Her vice though is the opposite.
Right. Right. And then just even the frustration of like. You know you have a car that needs a breathalyzer to drive, but the love of your life just is now seizing on the floor and your car won't start. 'cause you just had a drink at the bar.
Yeah, yeah.
And then having to move that se like just the cinematography and the direction of getting all of these people to start seizing.
'cause the gentleman crashes the truck. And it does flash when they go out to have a [00:28:00] smoke about saying that the NASA system is shut down back to the budget. Like that must have been insane to shoot there, you know, and an airport and a hospital and, you know, so that's really wild to see, uh, just as a filmmaker too.
Matt: Yeah.
Victoria: Yeah. Oh, that's so
Matt: cool. Well, and actually like, not to jump too far ahead, but, but you know, she does get in the truck. She's gotta deal with this guy who's Yep. Who's also transforming, I dunno what the word is being. Seizing is, is what's happening. But yeah. Um, she gets the truck, she gets Helen in the truck, and then there's this incredible shot.
I mean, there's, she goes from like, oh, we forgot about the, I forgot about the bar. I don't mean to, like, she goes into the bar and like coming to this realization that like, oh my God, every this, this is Helen or this guy. This is like everyone in this area. And of course, like you wouldn't think, oh, well it's not the whole city, it's just something's happened in this local area that I'm in.
It's a gas leak or something like, like that. And like then she's interacting with like all these people in the bar who are, who are like falling over and like [00:29:00] really well choreographed like moments in there too. But, but she, there's this unbelievable shot. It remind me of the last of us, and of course they have a plane crashing in that scene.
Mm-hmm. So it's maybe not as intense, but, but there's this incredible shot where the camera's just mounted to the hood. And, and Carol is just driving and you're just seeing what's going on behind her through the back window of the, of the, the truck.
Victoria: Mm-hmm.
Matt: And it's this like crazy long shot of like this, all of this stuff playing out where like.
So like a car pulls up and picks up someone who's lost a leg.
Victoria: Yes. Wasn't that so like,
Matt: that's crazy. Yeah.
Victoria: That's, this is the, I mean, the whole thing is sequences of, for me, just blowing my mind. Yeah. Because I'm just like, as an artist or someone who's watching this, like trying to put myself in those shoes, right.
And the love of your life just starts seizing and stops responding after you just saw a car crash. Now this guy's doing it.
Yes.
I can't even begin. Like what would you do? And then you go to the bar and every single human in the bar is [00:30:00] doing the same like glitch. Yeah. Are they glitching? Are they being taken over, over, are they having epilepsy?
Like what's happening? Some people are dropping, some are saying, right.
Matt: And that's something that I, I guess she doesn't ever. Ask about or is never verbalized. Maybe she's thinking it, but, but like, why is she unaffected? Of course, we don't know yet. Yeah. But, but that's gotta be a, an incredibly terrifying thing.
Like I would think everyone's playing a prank on me if it, like, I would think it just
Victoria: the grandest prank in history. This
Matt: is like,
Victoria: yeah,
Matt: a ton of people, but then she knows it can't be that when she pulls up. And there's that shot of Albuquerque and there's like all these fires
Victoria: happening. Yeah. Everything shed on fire.
Matt: You can't reach emergency services and it's like, okay, this is not a prank for sure.
Victoria: No. And then going to the hospital, you know, like eventually booting that guy out carrying. Her on the plank and lifting her up.
Matt: That was cool. That was very
Victoria: smart. I love that. Yeah. I mean, you would use it similar to like the medical people would use their [00:31:00] board.
Yeah. Years later, but yeah, like having her carried that way and driving around and what was going on with that? Why did those random people have a leg? Why did he pick it up and put it in the car? Like Yeah, they seemed sentient, right? For sure. Like they seemed like they weren't taken over, so,
yeah.
But, and then they's not brought up again.
Like they're just, the man just carries like a knee down and hops into a car and drives away. And then the rest of the them, like just slowly. And I love it 'cause it's, it's the creepy suspense. Like they're just walking slowly to her and she slowly driving away. Trying to,
Matt: yeah. It's not like she's racing
Victoria: yet.
She didn't race. She was just slowly driving. And then when you get to the hospital too, like.
Matt: She
Victoria: saved the baby.
Matt: That was after. So she's leaving the hospital. That was my mistake. Oh, that's, so that's when, when she's on her way home, I, I think because Oh, they're all still in, in seizing mode when she gets to the hospital.
Victoria: Yeah.
Matt: And it's not until she leaves that they, that we start to,
Victoria: well, 'cause when they, they go to the hospital and they're all seizing and then [00:32:00] she saves the baby.
Matt: Yeah.
Victoria: Right. And she tries, 'cause the mom's seizing with the carriage and then she gets the doctor and tries to mm-hmm. And then remember she like.
Yeah. They, they try to pull Helen out of the truck in the hospital and she tells them, stop.
Yeah.
And then they like drop and they start having a problem. Yeah. And then they all come back up again and they're like, we're just trying to help you. Right,
Matt: right.
Victoria: We're trying to help her. Yeah. Carol, we're really sorry for stressing you.
Matt: Mm-hmm.
Victoria: You know. What? Seek
Matt: And the doctor goes to kiss her, right? Yes. Like when the doctor comes to Yes. And she's like, what is that about? Uh, and, and I'm sure the others are like, well, why is, well, you know, why is Carol immune to this? Oh, she, she somehow avoided it. This, this,
Victoria: yeah.
Matt: We didn't, we didn't mention that.
Like, like Carol points out that like the Air Force has like. Been releasing some gas above Albuquerque.
Victoria: Yes. Yes. Which is like Copi. There's conspiracy.
Oh
Matt: yeah. There's
Victoria: dropped in here. First shirt, you know, [00:33:00] like what are those chem trails with the planes? Yeah. Like how do you feel about that? Is it chemical?
Like, because she was like, wow, they're in such a perfect formation or something. And she's like, oh yeah, isn't that weird? And the other woman. Like a lot, like, do we have the time to worry about it? Do we care? There's toxins everywhere, right? Are they doing it on purpose like they could be,
Matt: or is that just genuinely the best way to deliver this?
Victoria: Right.
Matt: Like, I think that's, like, that's what I think the others are. It's like if, if, if the others have this communal knowledge of, of everything known to man as far as like, and maybe they didn't at that point, but they certainly had. They must have had control of some military folks and some Air Force folks, and they must know and prepare for like these sorts of situations, right?
Like anthrax or some sort of like terrorist act. They would probably know the best way to deliver this kind of like Agent O over a population. But the [00:34:00] other thing that. And later we learned that like Carol is one of 11, I think, or 12.
Victoria: Isn't that interesting? Religiously with,
Matt: oh my God, I didn't
Victoria: think
Matt: the apostles.
Yes,
Victoria: apostles.
Matt: Wow. Interesting.
Victoria: And one betrayed them and wouldn't go with the group and kept
Matt: Oh, interesting.
Victoria: Right.
Matt: I didn't even, I didn't even think of that. That's a good,
Victoria: isn't that interesting? Like
Matt: why is it that number? Yeah, because I would have to think that you would have to be. Way more than that.
And maybe, maybe the others aren't, aren't aware, aware of that, but like, how do you reach everyone in like all of the, the, the va Like actually they talk about the, the, the, the, the space station has like the, the astronauts on the space station have somehow also been consumed by the others. I don't know how that
Victoria: Well, yeah.
'cause they, this is in the second episode, but they do say like. You know how many people died based off of this. And she explains, uh, like the them pirate space lady explains [00:35:00] that they normally don't go this fast. Mm-hmm. But they had to go faster.
Right.
They had to speed up, which caused a lot of people to pass away.
Right, right. Because they couldn't handle how. Difficult. It was, yeah. How, but you know, so why is that happening? Right? Why do they have to move that fast?
Matt: And again, thinking about like, like, is this, is this a, an alien invasion or is this a, a, um, um, malevolent force? Why, like, like you killed a lot of people.
Like a lot of people, millions and millions of people have died over the course of this, this thing. And that's a terrible thing. But then it turns around and says later that like, all life is important and that we can't kill animals even, and,
Victoria: and we're having world peace. There are no rights. There are no robberies.
There are no
Matt: but. People had to die for, for that to happen. So, so I don't know. I, I guess right now, and I, and we should tell our audience that as we record this, we, the, the first two episodes have released.
Victoria: Mm-hmm.
Matt: And that's why we're kind of referring to episode two a little bit too. Um, [00:36:00] but we haven't seen episode three.
Victoria: No.
Matt: Um, although some critics apparently have like the, like, I guess they've released, um, some, some episodes to some critics.
Victoria: Hmm.
Matt: But, uh, I don't, uh, like, I'm very curious to know. And I, who knows if we'll get, even get to know this in this season. Yeah. If this is a, a good entity or an evil entity. But, uh,
Victoria: I think that's like the juxtaposition of the theme of the whole thing, right.
Is it's kind of like Thanos too. Like if you eliminate half the population, but all problems are solved for everyone that does make it. Right.
Matt: Right.
Victoria: Would you flip the dice and try to see
Matt: interesting.
You
Victoria: know, it's that morality idea. So it's, it's fascinating. Yeah. And then so the end of the first episode, she goes to her house, she, she gets
home.
She tells them all to leave her alone. She can't figure out how to get into her house, her children, neighbors. That are now them. Tell her that in 20, like six years ago, she locked herself out and put a second key under air. Yeah. Yeah. How do you know that? You know, the child wouldn't know, but how the, the one mind they all [00:37:00] have.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm. And they have surveillance drones that are 40,000 feet in the air that they're sending information amongst. Right, right. Yeah.
Yeah.
So yeah. And then she goes and she, it shows you, and I mean we all have it, that reliability of like news, the television, like I am right. She's looking for that.
And then.
Matt: She turns on the TV and she, she says something like, fuck yeah. America. Yes. Because she thinks, okay, we're back in control here. Yeah. There's some someone, some leadership is talking
Victoria: America. Yeah. Yeah.
Matt: But it turns out, no, this is a broadcast just for her.
Victoria: Yeah. A bra. And it literally says in the text underneath her, like, we know that you're startled and scared.
Yeah. Please give us a call. That was not our intention.
Matt: Such a great moment. Like, because, because even we don't necessarily know like, okay, maybe this is just localized to Al.
Victoria: Mm-hmm.
Matt: But, uh, in that moment it's like, no. Uh, they, they have control of the entire country at the very least, if not the planet. So,
Victoria: yeah.
And then the gentleman assures. She says, what's going on? What's happening? Are you an alien race? And they say, no. [00:38:00] Uh, but we had to come here and we had to do this. And she says, you know, are you going to let me live? And they said, well, your life is your own. Mm-hmm. And then that's kind of the really thought.
You're like, okay, maybe they're not so bad.
Right.
And then they're like. Essentially saying, but you will be joining us in a few months time because you will realize how wonderful this is. Right. And now we're kind of getting back into like. Culty. Like I
Matt: was
Victoria: gonna, you know, you're gonna drop the Kool-Aid though, 'cause you're gonna be delivered to heaven.
Right. There's
Matt: no way you could turn this down. It's so
Victoria: right.
Matt: Yeah, yeah.
Victoria: But you will no longer suffer. You'll no longer struggle. You won't be miserable anymore. Carol like, isn't that wonderful? Isn't, isn't that terrifying? So yeah, she ends the episode with her having a bunch of drinks and like screaming and saying, no, I'm going to bed, and everyone leaving her alone.
Matt: Yeah. I really like this, like the, the kids being able to say, like, remember three years ago or when you, [00:39:00] when you locked yourself out, you, you put a key under the thing, the, the, the phone number. I dunno if it's the same phone number, but there was a, there was a marketing campaign early on, and this is how I got my ticket to the, to the New York, uh, screening is I called the number, you could call the number, uh, that Carol calls in this, in this moment.
Cool. Or maybe it's a different number, but whatever the marketing was saying, I called that number and. And it was like, Hey, uh, there was a voice I that was basically prerecorded saying, you know, Carol, you know, join us. That sort of thing. Opt in for text messages. And then I got, I would get these. Random text messages, uh, from, from time to time talking about like, uh, you know, would, would it, wouldn't a drink be nice right now?
And I would reply yes. And it would be like, remember that drink you had in, uh, like a zombie, something? There's a drink with that name in it.
Victoria: Okay.
Matt: Which is an interesting choice.
Victoria: Mm-hmm.
Matt: Um, uh, like in 1999 you had at that, at that resort. And I was like, what is happening here? But now of [00:40:00] course it's, it's like, oh, we know everything about you.
At least from the perspective of Helen,
Victoria: or is that real? Did you have that drink?
Matt: Yeah, exactly.
Victoria: Ah, that's terrifying.
Matt: Yeah, for sure. It was great. It was super, super clever marketing and I, and I'm, and it's still happening, so, um, I'll have to read it maybe next episode. We'll, we'll read what they said.
Victoria: Well, I mean, that's kind of the thing is it's operating in the background and like the big brother idea has been happening forever.
Right. You and I might be talking about. Getting a burger at Harvey's or something. Right. And the next time I open my phone I'm gonna have Harvey's complete.
Matt: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Victoria: Like it's just, it's insane. It's
Matt: creepy, but we're already like sort of used to it, it feels like too. It's like, oh yeah, that's why I'm getting that ad, because I had that conversation at that point.
So. Anything else,
Victoria: there are others like yourself around the world. We'll figure out what makes you different so that you can join us.
Matt: Right. And that's, and that appears to be a genuine, like, we feel bad for you and don't worry, we're gonna fix this.
Victoria: Yeah. We're gonna bug the problem.
Matt: Yeah. Yeah. Whereas Carol's like, please leave me alone.
[00:41:00] I don't want anything to do with this. So
Victoria: I mean, it comes back to like just in general, so many times through history being told in so many circumstances, like this is for the greater good. This is good for you. Sure. For
Matt: sure.
Victoria: You know, like I imagine going to the insane asylum like in the fifties with getting lobotomies.
I don't think that's some, but it's good for you. Yeah. You know, like that's,
Matt: it's gonna fix You we're doing you a favor, huh? Yeah. Yeah. Well, I don't know. So, so well maybe we'll talk about it after the second episode, but like. The thing that makes this different, this concept is not new, right? Like we were talking about Rick and Morty and the Unity episode and, and Invasion of the Body snatchers.
This, this isn't like a super new concept, although it hasn't been done a lot. Like there are a lot of other concepts that have been done a whole lot. I think what Vince is doing here, I don't know if, I don't know for sure, but I'm curious to see if he's actually going in this direction of, no, it's a. It's a positive entity.
It's not here. It's not here to it. Like you, you brought up Thanos and that idea of like when a villain is, [00:42:00] has conviction about what they're choosing to do. That's it's the best. Yeah. As because that's a great villain. Who truly believes in what? In what they're doing. This villain. The others I think, truly believes that it's a, it's a great thing and it's a positive thing, but you know, it just ends up killing millions of people and also stripping individuality away from the human race.
So there's lots of bad things about it. Um, but I think that may be where Vince is going is saying, this is actually not, like, I'm not gonna surprise you with like, oh, it turns out it was a, it was evil the whole time.
Victoria: Mm-hmm.
Matt: I mean, it is objectively if you, if you value individuality, but I think the idea is that no, we're like, this entity is, cares about Carol and cares about every member of, of, of it and every animal and, and, and every being and just kind of go, goes about it in a way that maybe we wouldn't agree with.
Victoria: Yes. I mean, it's the idea of like judgment day or whatever. Sure. Yeah. Like if [00:43:00] we, how would we even come to the agreement that this is what we should be doing?
Matt: Yeah.
Victoria: And if it is like, you know. I don't know. It, it would just be a world, it's a world problem. It would be a world, uh, I don't think that there's a way to get this done peacefully that people would agree with.
Like, I think the violence would have to come, and then it is the question of like. Everyone else seems to be agreeing to peace now.
Mm-hmm.
And Carol's the one that's resorting to violence and they think that she's crazy. Right. And she's causing harm to them. Yeah. And how could you do that to us? Yeah. And like that's just so fascinating too.
'cause it's this idea of, I mean, in general, like I'm a spiritual person and I like to be grateful and like see the positive side of life and like try to learn the lesson and stuff. There are people out there in the idea of like toxic positivity. I'm like, well, no, I don't wanna ignore the negative feelings that we're having.
Matt: Yeah. Yeah. There, there are companies, they're [00:44:00] like, especially like tech companies, right? Mm-hmm. Who, who go down that road of like, everything's great, everything's fantastic, and then crash and burn, right? And Dr. Drive over the cliff because they've just blinded themselves with this toxic positivity fate.
Mm-hmm. But I'm a big fan of positivity. I,
Victoria: I think
Matt: so. It's a difficult thing. Yeah.
Victoria: Yeah, yeah.
Matt: Yeah. So what did you think of this episode as a, as a pilot in general, as the first episode of any show ever? 'cause there are some people who are like, this is the greatest pilot ever made.
Victoria: Mm-hmm. What
Matt: do you think?
Mm-hmm.
Victoria: I mean, it's definitely up there. Yeah, for sure. Um, cinematic Marvel, as you mentioned. Absolutely. Like there's so much going for it between like the story, the complexity, you never know what's happening. You don't understand what's going on. The nuance of the characters are so deep. I think it's fascinatingly done and I even like.
Down to the color psychology of
things.
Like I just, I love that. And the suspense and the thrill of having something here that's not so obvious and like, it's not really jump scares, it's [00:45:00] not paranormal, it's not stranger things, leaving realities and having different universes, but like, I think it's something spun in a way again, that we haven't seen before.
That's really terrifying.
Matt: It is. It's a, it's a terrifying idea, but it's also like. But
Victoria: wouldn't you want this reality perhaps?
Matt: Well, I mean there are positives about it that like, yeah, we're, today we're living in a world where, you know, like there's a very tenuous piece in Gaza and there's a war in in Ukraine and and Russia, and there's lots of horrible things happening all over the world.
All of that would stop, presumably, and it's an interesting. Thing to think about of if like, if like every Russian and every U Ukrainian person was suddenly the same
Victoria: mm-hmm.
Matt: They, they'd be like, well, let's not kill each other anymore. 'cause we're the same. We're, and, and, and that is true. Whether this is a sci-fi show is, is we're, we're to come to pass or not.
Uh, that's a real thing, right? Like, like we are all human beings and we are. Mm-hmm. We are. We shouldn't be doing this to each other. And [00:46:00] it's an interesting perspective, uh, on, on peace actually.
Victoria: And I think it challenges too, even like how you can see like the WHO wants like a one world government
Matt: mm-hmm.
Victoria: Like these sorts of things about let's take barriers off, let's take, you know, and there's an argument for, and lots of arguments again. So it's just. Yeah. And what about you? How do you feel about the pilots? Does it
Matt: Yeah,
Victoria: it's got, its like teeth in, I'm in.
Matt: Oh, for sure. Yeah. I mean, from a storytelling perspective, I think it's so, so fascinating and I, I honestly, I didn't, I didn't know what to expect, but I definitely.
Did not expect this. Mm-hmm. Like, like I love that Vince is going somewhere with it that is, uh, not really been done before. And of course, like I'd said before there, there are definitely some films and some shows that have explored this idea, but not at this scale. Not with, not with the Apple budget behind you and.
Not with this idea of, of it being a [00:47:00] benevolent thing. And so I'm very curious. It feels like it's, it feels like, like too much to say. We've never seen anything like this, but I think it's true that we haven't seen anything like this. The idea may not be completely original, but the budget behind it is, uh, a, a unique combination and, uh, and I think I, I'm excited to see what the, the upcoming episodes hold for us.
Having said that. I have a few little knits to pick. Um, and one of them is that, I mean, Vince is not a new director, right? He's not new to directing. Television, uh, he directed a ton of episodes of, of Breaking Bad, and I assume many episodes of, of, uh, better Call Saul. Uh, but there are some things about this and who am I to say or to critique him?
Um, I've never, I've never really directed anything, uh, substantial that I've written. Mm-hmm. I've, I've directed other, other people's work. But something [00:48:00] I notice about people who are writer directors is they, they fall in love with things that they maybe shouldn't. And I feel like there is a little bit of fat on this episode, just, just a little bit here and there.
And that happens when a director falls in love with a moment or an actor, right? Like it's clear that Vince absolutely loves Ray c Seehorn and wants to, wants to see every nuance of her performance, and that's great. But it can, I think, go a little bit too far at times. Um, and I wonder, yeah, especially in, in this day and age when we're TikTok and, and, mm-hmm.
Like, like the attention spans are just not there. And so, so it's, so you have to, you have to be careful not to, I think, indulge too much. And I don't think he does. It's just there are moments for me that go on a little bit too long here and there, and that's just my, my perspective and my opinion. But, um, but overall, I think it's incredible.
I think it's, it's, it's, it's so obviously also the same team behind Breaking Bad, like if [00:49:00] I hadn't seen or listened to the episode, uh, the official podcast episode. And I just watched Breaking Bad by Itself, and then this, I would, I would be like, oh, it's the same people. They're in the same location. It's, it's clearly a lot of the same department heads are involved in this, and so there's, the look is very similar.
Um, and that also from, from an objective perspective, I, it concerns me a little bit like, is, is Albuquerque the right place for this story to take place? Hmm. Or is it just because they love Albuquerque and they had such a good time shooting, breaking Bad and Better Call Saul there and they, their people live there and their crew is there and it's just convenient.
I'm sure. That is true, but probably just like about 10%. I don't think it's, I don't think it's to its detriment. In fact, Albuquerque is a really cool place to see on screen. It has a very specific look to it.
Victoria: Mm-hmm.
Matt: Um, and when we saw the promos from, from like, uh, like we haven't seen this yet that were a drone drops off.
Have you seen this promo? Like a, a drone sort of, I think tries to pick up. Uh, um, uh, [00:50:00] uh, Carol's garbage.
Victoria: Okay.
Matt: And like kind of fails at it and then finally succeeds and, and flies away with it.
Victoria: Huh?
Matt: I don't know when that's gonna happen in the show, or maybe it's just a promo thing, but that shot was like so quintessential quintessentially, uh, Albuquerque.
Uh, I was like, oh, okay. So they're shooting in the same place, although they built that neighborhood. Now, now we know that, that that neighborhood, Carol's neighborhood is 100% a fabrication, a creation by the show, which is huge. Like, definitely. That is
Victoria: so
much.
Matt: Yeah. Highly recommend everyone listen to the, uh, the official podcast because they talk about making that and how they had to work with the city and how it had had that, that incredible view.
And Yeah, and there's, and even in, in that episode, Vince talks about it and he, and he doesn't specifically mention it, but like there's a, there's a, a couple who owns the Breaking Bad house, right? The house where Walter White lived.
Victoria: Yep.
Matt: It's now got a massive fence around it like security cameras because people go to the house and obviously they wanna see it, they wanna take pictures, [00:51:00] they want to, they want to explore it.
Uh, but they also throw pizzas up on the, on the roof. If you remember, there's episode where, where Walter is furious with Skyler for, I forget what reason, and throws the pizza and it lands on the, on like above the garage. It became a thing they're trying
Victoria: to do that.
Matt: Yeah. It became a real close to buy a pizza, go to the house and throw it on.
Huh. And Vince like sort of chastised the, the fan base, rightly so. For Please don't do that. And so I think they were like, let's not have that problem at this show. Yes. Let's just create our own. And they say it's like,
Victoria: let's just make our own neighborhood.
Matt: Yeah. And it's our
Victoria: own city.
Matt: There are security guards and Vince was like, the security guards are very nice, but they're not gonna let you into the area.
And so, yeah. So anyway. This has been really fun. This is a great episode.
Victoria: Thank you.
Matt: Um, uh, thank you for doing this, uh, with me. For, for those of you, uh, tuning in, uh, we're gonna do the second episode right away and, um, yeah, I don't know what, how do we wrap this up?
Victoria: Thanks. Thank you for listening. How, [00:52:00] how do we wrap this up?
Um,
Matt: we've got social media things that haven't been set up yet, but do those
Victoria: Yeah, it's
Matt: gonna be Instagram. Well maybe have that ready for the third episode. Um, but uh, you've probably found us already on, uh, apple Podcasts and Spotify and uh, and YouTube. So, um, yeah.
Victoria: Thank you.
Matt: Thank you,
Victoria: Victoria. Please your comments.
Thank you. Yeah, let us know about like your thoughts and what yes. You guys are thinking and
Matt: great point.
Victoria: Any Easter eggs that we might be missing? Yes. 'cause I'm sure there's a lot. I gotta rewatch all the breaking bad stuff, right? Yeah. You know, it better call us all. Like, there's a lot of great stuff in here, but.
Ultimately, like just thank you and
Matt: yeah. Yeah,
Victoria: it's been awesome.
Matt: Yeah. Cool. It's
Victoria: so cool.
Matt: We'll see you next episode.
