Pluripod S01E05 - 'Got Milk'
What is up, Pluripodists? My name is Matt Waterworth. I'm joined by my cohost, Victoria Givlin. Every week, we talk about Pluribus on Apple TV. It's episode five.
Matt:We're talking about Got Milk. I'm coming at you from the editing desk because I forgot to shoot a good intro, so here it is for you. As always, this is your spoiler warning. We cover everything that we've talked about in the show, so please make sure you're watching these episodes of the show before you check out
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Matt:Hey. Hello. We're back early. Yes. They changed the schedule on us, and Carol joined us a little bit early this week.
Matt:So we're recording this on Wednesday morning, the same day it says it releases. If you don't already know, apparently, anytime Apple says they're gonna release something, it's actually the day before in the evening. For us in Alberta, it's at 7PM. So we've already seen the episode. And yeah.
Matt:I don't know why they changed the schedule. Was trying to figure out why, but but I I I don't know what happened.
Victoria:I think they're just keeping us on our toes.
Matt:Maybe. Yeah.
Victoria:Yep. I think it was intentional.
Matt:Well, I have we don't normally do the spoiler warning, but I think we should talk about the ending right away. And I I don't know if you like
Victoria:It's the literal mic drop.
Matt:These glasses are from you. These are cool. I don't know if I can view you know, be in yellow vision the entire episode, so I'm Fair. Well, they're viewed. So major spoilers, because we're gonna talk about that very last moment.
Matt:Yeah. Which is what do you think they left us on, like, a classic cliffhanger. What do you think Carol is looking at at the end there?
Victoria:Cutting to the chase. Getting straight to it. I like it. I think, you know, I Tell us your theory. Tell us.
Victoria:Alright. Alright. I think I think that Carol has found some dead bodies in the freezer.
Matt:And and you think it's a life force thing, like like the others are surviving on?
Victoria:Think they're Grinding up the pulp and they're putting it into dust and then they're turning it into this drink.
Matt:Right.
Victoria:Because crows were pecking at it. Oh. And crows will peck at human Right. That's true. Yeah.
Victoria:Right. If they have to.
Matt:Yeah. Right.
Victoria:And also, we saw I think it was the second the second episode, the beginning of the second episode. What were they doing? They were picking up bodies. They were cleaning it up, and they were putting it in a milk truck.
Matt:Were they? Is that true? Yeah. Oh, I didn't catch that. Yeah.
Matt:Oh, okay. Okay. So the theories the Internet is is going crazy. The theories are are abound now. We've got lots of you sent me a video.
Matt:I only watched the first half of it or so. But there's definitely lots of opinion online that the others are lying.
Victoria:I love it. I actually love seeing what everyone
Matt:For sure. Oh, yeah. That's part of the fun is is and so I'm I'm still on the fence overall, but, I mean, it's certainly it's certainly a a damning cliffhanger episode.
Victoria:What do you think is in the bag?
Matt:I don't even wanna guess. I I I what could it be that would have her react that way other than what you're saying? I don't I don't know. Maybe it is animals? Like, it could be but, I mean, weed animals.
Matt:That's not that shocking. I have I I don't I honestly don't know. I don't think it's I don't think it's people. Like, I don't think it's them. But if it is, it could be, like, you know, I can I can imagine a scene where, like, there are others who are, like, just gladly, like, donating their bodies to to the continuance of the others?
Matt:But at a certain point, won't they just eat themselves to death? Like, is isn't there an ending to that? I don't know. There's there's lots to consider here. But I I yeah.
Matt:I I have no idea what it could be that would be so damning, unless unless her reaction is somehow she knows right away that she's gonna be able to reverse this whole situation. But let's go back to the beginning. Let's start at the beginning and and go through your notes. I just wanted to talk about I I couldn't believe they ended it that way. I mean, in a way, like, it felt like an X Files moment.
Matt:Right? Like, it was like but the problem with X Files is they were contained episodes. You couldn't do a cliffhanger at the end of an episode, really, unless it was like a two parter. But, yeah, this was very yeah. It felt like a like an eighties moment in a way, which was nice.
Matt:It was it was a it was a kind of a maybe a nod to the what's the movie? The Body Snatchers movie.
Victoria:Mhmm.
Matt:A kind of a a nod to some some styles of filmmaking that that were a little more common way back when. And, obviously, that's an influence for this this show. So, anyway, what do you think? Take us take us back to the beginning and
Victoria:Back to the beginning. Well, I mean, at the start, Carol's at the hospital. Right? And she's with Zosia.
Matt:Right.
Victoria:And she's exhausted.
Matt:And she's just put her through a horrible event. What seems like a horrible event.
Victoria:Mhmm. Drugging her. Yep. And then she also gets a phone call from one of the survivors.
Matt:Yeah. Right? Even getting the phone call was like, who the who's calling? Like, we we immediately knew it must have been another another survivor because who would be ringing that line, the others would have set that up. So so, yeah, it's We haven't seen Laxmi in a while.
Victoria:Mhmm. Yeah. And she's furious about Yes. Making her son cry, making everybody cry. And she says, don't you ever do that again.
Victoria:Yeah. Then she hangs up.
Matt:And this and this sort of bothered me just because I don't I mean, I I think it's meant to bother me. Right? Like, it was designed that way. Mhmm. But but it's just like this this like and maybe there's a problem going on in the world right now, which is willful ignorance.
Matt:And that's what Lacrim is indulging in there.
Victoria:Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah. Ignorance is bliss. Right?
Matt:Mhmm. Yeah.
Victoria:That's what they say.
Matt:Sure. And she's very much still like, don't make my son cry. Yeah. Your son wasn't crying, but you think that.
Victoria:Mhmm. His son's gone.
Matt:Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And that's it.
Matt:Yeah. We don't get much more from Lakshmi. Just more anger from from her towards Carol.
Victoria:Yep. And then when she goes and sees Zosia, she asks the doctor person. Mhmm. Again, at this point, they're not bothering to make it a doctor for her. This is just a regular woman saying, you know, it seems like there's the beginning of a breakup.
Victoria:Like, she sees that she's fine. She'll be fine. Right. Yeah. That's not really Yeah.
Victoria:You know? And then Carol ends up going for a nap.
Matt:Mhmm.
Victoria:And we see a gentleman walking with a carton of milk pushing a man in a wheelchair.
Matt:You noticed that? I I didn't notice that either. The carton of milk again. Okay.
Victoria:Yeah. And then they they are all evacuating. Right. Right? And they all leave the city.
Victoria:Like, they have their breakup. They take their space. Yeah. And Carol
Matt:I thought it was cool that we we like you said, they they're they're not, like, dressing the others up the way that they maybe did or weren't. I I was I was talking about that last episode. But I thought there were it was cool, the shots of the doctor who had all the tattoos. Mhmm. And it just it was just nice to see, like, oh, okay.
Matt:Yeah. Like, it doesn't matter who this person is on the outside. Like, they have the knowledge of everyone. And it's actually a good reminder that anyone can be an amazing doctor. Doesn't matter if they're tattooed or Anyone can be
Victoria:an amazing actor, an amazing producer, an amazing person with or with we're moving past these judgments. Right? Indeed. Which is great.
Matt:Yes.
Victoria:Yes.
Matt:As,
Victoria:yeah. And that woman that was walking through that was, like, covered in tats.
Matt:Mhmm.
Victoria:I just you know, whenever I see someone that makes a production choice that isn't afraid to use tattoos, I'm like
Matt:For sure. And Alright. And it actually I mean, I don't know how much time we wanna spend on this. This is a pretty small detail. You know, there's a big conversation right now about, like, what is about representation on screen.
Matt:Right? And and making sure we we're we're seeing lots of different representation on on screen so that so that people, kids, can kinda say see themselves in in various roles, and and and I think that's really important. But this, again, this show is turning that on its head in a way that it's like it that person's not like like the message might be, hey, how cool is it that anybody can be a doctor? But in actuality, everyone can be a doctor in this show. So it's so it's kind
Victoria:of Everyone is a doctor through this high of minds. And they didn't have to well, they did have to be taken over by a different species, but they didn't have to study. Right. Right?
Matt:Yeah. They certainly got rid of racism though. It was everyone is the same.
Victoria:Yep. We are all treated equal and all art is the same. Yeah. Yeah. Like, it truly is an AI.
Victoria:It'll, like, recount that everything is of equal measure value. Mhmm. You know?
Matt:I kinda I kinda had a theory in the back of my mind that that the animals were actually part of it. Animals were also part of the the others.
Victoria:Yes.
Matt:I think this episode proved that that's not the case. Unless they're playing it.
Victoria:They didn't or they were planning
Matt:Right? Like, to do
Victoria:if they are so I think that the others are being used to kind of demonstrate, like, an innocence in like, a child like, the Got Milk representation throughout cinema is typically usually, like, purity and stuff.
Matt:Right. Yeah.
Victoria:And Carol is kinda like the adult Mhmm. That's going mad because all of them are children. But the breakup is showing that they're going through a phase, right? Like, they're evolving out of the childhood narrative. So I was like, if they could use animals, then and maybe that's why they never wanted to kill or hurt an animal.
Matt:That's kinda what I was thinking.
Victoria:Yeah. Right? But yeah. So I'm I'm like, maybe they did use the wolves as like a strategy, like manipulation. Sure.
Victoria:Because they're starting to eat hell in.
Matt:Totally. Totally. But And there's and there's obviously there's obviously some others around. Somebody's gotta be operating that drone somewhere not too far away. But, anyway, it was cool to see that that there was a promo shot months ago.
Matt:There was the drone coming to to try to pick up the garbage and, like, kinda failing at it. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, where does Yeah. This was like, is that just a promo shot just for marketing?
Matt:But no, it's
Victoria:it's I like they use the symbolism with the drone using the bag of garbage. And it was to like her watching it struggle. Yeah. And now it like got wrapped around the hole and just hung there.
Matt:It's so much worse.
Victoria:Yeah. And that's the first time truly that the others are stuck.
Matt:Right.
Victoria:Right?
Matt:Yeah. Yeah. Because gonna come and fix it now. Yeah.
Victoria:Mhmm. Yeah. And when Carol called the others, they had a voicemail of a prerecorded message
Matt:Yes.
Victoria:That our feelings haven't changed for you.
Matt:Mhmm.
Victoria:You know, we still love but we need some space.
Matt:And I have to break, what the oh my goodness. Better Call Saul fans recognize that voice. That was a big a big cameo. A major major, actor in the in Better Call Saul is that voice on on the phone. So that was a little Easter egg.
Victoria:Love it. Love to see it. I've started watching Breaking Bad.
Matt:Have you?
Victoria:So I've actually started a few times and just put it down.
Matt:You're saying
Victoria:But this time, I'm actually going through.
Matt:Right. Right.
Victoria:So I know I'm quite behind. There's Matt and I were talking about how there's so much great cinema and TV shows and everything. It's Endless. But now I'm committed. I'm watching it.
Victoria:So, I will learn about this.
Matt:Great. Let us know how it goes. Let us know where you get to.
Victoria:Yeah. I'm on, like, a season two episode two or three and already. Right? Like, it's just what an incredible show.
Matt:Well, people talk about, you know, this Pluribus, the Pluribus pilot being the greatest one of the great pilots of all time. And and I trust me. I think it's great. But I would say the Breaking Bad pilot is better. I think the Breaking Bad pilot is an incredible, incredible piece of cinema for sure.
Matt:But, anyway, you were saying they were leaving. Yep. And she goes up on the roof, and there's this there's this really crazy shot. So cool. Massive panning shot Yeah.
Matt:Where we see the others kind of on the highways leaving, just the taillights leaving, which is I I have to say, excellent shot, technically. I could tell right away that it was on a stage, like, she was on, like, a, like, a blue screen or or that there were some some, CGI going on there, or compositing, I should say. But the shot was still incredible, and I just heard on the, on the podcast, the the exclusive podcast, you gotta check it out if you're not already, that that that was a that that shot alone took took the VFX company two months to complete just because they couldn't remove all the like, they they did the shot, but it would that it was filled with cars. Right? Yeah.
Matt:Like, they had to remove all the cars and then add their cars going going away. Big effects shot for sure.
Victoria:Huge shout out to the visual effects team. Like, don't until you're in there, I don't think you can really understand just how much time and energy is spent in the post process
Matt:Yeah. Yeah.
Victoria:In editing and visual effects.
Matt:And they keep talking about Nido, who's the guy who's the choreographer, because He did amazing. Another another amazing example of, like, the choreography of them leaving, and like and and the addition of the camera. Right? Like like, the camera as part of that choreography. It was a big it was a I mean, it sounds like it's always a big big thing.
Matt:And they they had they also had to be leaving, like, as the sun was setting, so certain magic hours. So they rehearsed and rehearsed and rehearsed and rehearsed. And they actually shot it in the morning, so so they still got the, like, sunrise moment. And so they were rehearsing that for days apparently, and then they had to shoot it at, like, 7AM. It had to be rolling.
Matt:So they had no time to rehearse. They had to have it sort of all dialed in the day before. So, yeah, interesting interesting way of shooting. Right? And I was saying too, this show is super interesting because it's giving us scenes we don't ever see.
Matt:Like, you never like like last episode, that circle of of, you know, what looked like, I don't know, 50 people circled around Zosia and Carol crying. That like, that is a scene that you don't get in any other show. Like, it's a very unique and weird scene. So we we get a lot of that and that's, I think I think that's what we want right now, is like, give us something new and different, but it's still contained in the world of our reality. It's not on a foreign planet or or something like that.
Matt:So, yeah. Loving this show overall.
Victoria:Me too.
Matt:Sorry.
Victoria:No. Don't apologize.
Matt:Bow girding.
Victoria:No. It's very true though with the choreography with all those people seeing them silently.
Matt:Yes.
Victoria:Leave the hospital to not wake Carol up from a nap.
Matt:Right. We're gonna leave while you're sleeping.
Victoria:Cory, like the people, the everyone involved in that shot, chef's kiss for sure.
Matt:Incredible.
Victoria:Yeah. Yeah.
Matt:Even the even the ambulances coming around and like doing their yeah.
Victoria:Yeah. The only one who's barging around making a ton of noise is Carol in a cop car.
Matt:Right. Yeah. Yeah. Like running around the the hospital saying, is anybody here? Yep.
Matt:Yeah. So she wakes up to find that she's alone. Yeah.
Victoria:Yes. Wakes up to find she's alone, climbs a really tall building.
Matt:Great.
Victoria:Yeah. Realizes that everyone's leaving, you know, screams at the top of her lungs. Great. Like, like, get out of here. Good riddance sort of
Matt:thing. Right. Yeah.
Victoria:And then we
Matt:don't even need you.
Victoria:Yeah. I don't even I don't even care.
Matt:Just make sure my sprouts is full.
Victoria:My my yeah. Grocery store is full and my fridge is stocked. And then she ends up going home and filming a video to the survivors.
Matt:Yes. She gets all she gets all made up.
Victoria:Yes.
Matt:It's all fancy. Yeah. Yes. Except the camera.
Victoria:Yeah. And then she tells leaves a voicemail this time, telling the others that I need you to distribute this video for me. Yeah. And you need to put subtitles on it for anyone who doesn't understand. And if you don't, again, playing on that would make me very unhappy.
Matt:Right. Right. So she's she seems to be using knowing how she can manipulate and using it. But I have to say, now that she's been knowing it, like there's a moment last episode where Zosha's crying and is drugged and going into cardiac arrest. And and Carol is saying like, it's making you sad that you're not making me happy.
Matt:Make me happy. Mhmm. It hasn't actually worked for her yet. That's the style, as far as we know. Like, don't know if the tape got out yet.
Matt:And and so we don't know if that they but maybe it does. Maybe it totally works. So so we'll see. But I thought it was interesting. Last episode, she put the when she recorded herself drugged, she drops the SD card into the toilet, flushes it.
Matt:Doesn't want anybody to ever see that recording that she made of herself. But then, this recording, she gives to the others. So she's obviously that that those two actions seem weird to me because I don't know. Like, who's gonna see it, Carol? Who's gonna see that other than the others, which is kind of one person?
Matt:Anyway, it's it's interesting. So, yeah, she's gonna so what's on this tape? Remind me what she says on this tape, this first tape.
Victoria:First tape, she's talking about oh, that was interesting too. Not responsible. She's talking to her 12 survivors. There is a way to do this. She talks about her recent discoveries that she wrote on the whiteboard about how they can't lie, about how they treat everybody equally.
Victoria:And that she knows that there is a way to reverse it because of what they've lied by omission about. But that she doesn't know anything else yet.
Matt:Right.
Victoria:She hasn't discovered the milk the first
Matt:Right. Round. Yeah. So why is she doing this, do you think?
Victoria:I think, you know, she's still lonely. Like, think it's the realization of whether you like them or not, like, we are a social species. So it's like, even if Oh, she also says too that, you know, once you realize that joy and happiness and peace is coming to end your life, maybe Right. Maybe. Like, to me, she's the commander.
Victoria:She's the general. She's like calling the troops. She's like, what are you doing?
Matt:And she she says she talks about individuality. Yeah. I don't know if she this has been mentioned before or not, but it's it's like yeah. Like, if you're if you're cool with losing your individuality, then then great. But, like, it's not worth this cost.
Victoria:Yeah. You may treasure, you may treasure your reality right as your life is ending in your individuality to want to decide what your agency is with your life.
Matt:Yeah. Yeah.
Victoria:But only, like, some of you may realize in the last second, and she also says that some of you, at least one of you won't though. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. When Zoe when she called, right?
Victoria:Lax me.
Matt:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Yeah.
Victoria:Let's do this together. Oh, she says we owe it to humanity. Yes. Right? Like the other The solution.
Victoria:She's been pleading like, hello, there's 12 of us out of 8,000,000,000?
Matt:Yeah. And if it's reversible, which it seems like it is, that suggests to me that there are 8,000,000,000 ish people trapped somewhere, like their consciousnesses are trapped by whatever this thing is. Because if you can recover those people, then that means they have to be be somewhere. Their their mind has to be somewhere right now while it's being controlled by so either they're unconscious or there's like someone living inside these bodies, like two people, like some that that's exactly what it could woah. I didn't even think of this.
Matt:This is crazy. It could be it could be that it's all just this I use the word alien, but it's not necessarily aliens. It could be this other being that is controlling every body and there's still, you know, the individual person is still also in that body. So maybe they're trapped in there with someone. Now that we've had this, like, really, like, like, scary ending, it's like, okay.
Matt:It seems like maybe the others are really an evil force. And there's lots of theories that that think that, of course.
Victoria:It could be like a Lord of the Rings thing. Right? Like, there's Shmeagol and Gollum. Right. Exactly.
Victoria:They've just consumed
Matt:Exactly.
Victoria:Their behavior and taken over.
Matt:Two different consciousnesses living in in the same body. Yeah.
Victoria:Mhmm. And the one's just the dominant one that's now taken over.
Matt:Yeah. And Carol is she's right. Like, you we owe it to humanity. Like, you're you could be saving billions of people from from this.
Victoria:Yeah. Yep. After she finishes the tape, she makes her demands. Mhmm. And as far as we know on the surface, they execute it.
Matt:Right.
Victoria:And then we have the first appearance of the wolves. Yes. Right. Coming into her garbage. Right.
Victoria:And she
Matt:The drone successfully takes it, takes the the envelope away, and then, like, right away Mhmm. We hear the wolves in the in the backyard.
Victoria:Yeah. Yeah. Lots of symbolism again.
Matt:Yeah. And I thought it was coyotes at first, but then, like, later, you see them, and those are those are wolves, and that's a lot of wolves.
Victoria:Yeah. What's the Choreography on the wolves too. Right. Well, I was so one of the podcasts, gentleman the that I was watching, I'll have to bring up the name for it, but he was demonstrating perhaps like a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Matt:Oh, right. Of course. Right? Right. If that's Yeah.
Matt:Good point. Yeah.
Victoria:Yeah. It was a great anecdote. Mhmm. Yeah. Smart.
Victoria:Because she first goes out and she tries to startle them away and then it, you know, they're pretty aggressive. And then later she goes and gets building supplies.
Matt:Mhmm. Mhmm.
Victoria:Right? Yeah. So and she paints that piece for Helen.
Matt:Which is very nice.
Victoria:That's the humanity side again. Right?
Matt:Yeah. It feels like we're seeing a lot more now, or maybe I'm more aware of it. Like, her mourning for Helen is really there, even though she's not, like, just in tears. Like, Carol is the kind of person who mourns her own way.
Victoria:She goes back to her own bed too. Yes. She crawls back into the bed that she shared with Helen. Right. She can't look at the side that Helen sleeps on.
Matt:That's right. Yeah.
Victoria:It's sad. But she's there, which is good. Yeah.
Matt:So what happens in between? Because the the wolves come twice.
Victoria:The wolves come, and then we have the garbage. Okay. Now that the wolves have come through, they've torn the garbage. And then she decides that she needs help getting rid of the garbage. Right.
Victoria:And she calls and demands that. And they say, you know, place them two feet apart, make them no more than 13 pounds, I believe.
Matt:Right. Same dynamic.
Victoria:So yeah. And then she picks it up, and she's realizing that it's more, but she doesn't care.
Matt:Oh, is that I didn't catch that.
Victoria:She's She's She'd probably have it here then. Like, it seems like she's like yeah.
Matt:Yeah. It's not like she weighs it. Right? Yeah. Yeah.
Matt:And indeed, when the drone comes to pick it up, it has a big challenge with the weight of the
Victoria:Yes, it does. And it gets stuck, and then it falls to the thing again. And then she decides, you know what? I'll just do it myself. Right.
Victoria:And she picks it up, and she takes it to a communal garbage. And then she also notices the recycling beside it. Mhmm. And that there's all these cartons of milk in the recycling.
Matt:Right. So a couple of things here. First, the that drone crash sort of getting caught up on the light pole, that's like, we drones have been sort of part of our day to day world for ten, fifteen years now, and I've never seen something like that. Like, I've never seen like, because drones are, like, so cool and you never want them to crash. And I mean, especially in the film industry, we're, like, very cautious about it.
Matt:I've never seen, like, a drone, like, get wrapped up on a light pole. That was kinda cool. And that's that we don't you don't need to be a sci fi show where people, are consumed by a a a single entity, for a moment like that to happen. But I thought that was funny. And if indeed this is a wolf in sheep's clothing situation where the others are actually a really evil entity, this moment is the inciting incident of Carol getting to the final moment.
Matt:Right? Because the only reason she goes and starts doing her detective work with the milk is because she has to clean up her own garbage. Yep. Right? So, so if indeed that is this is the beginning of a of a successful ending where Carol successfully, you know, saves humanity and and re reverses the whole situation, It's kinda their fault for being shitty.
Matt:Like, for for being like, sorry, Carol. We're leaving you on your own. Like, if they just pick up her garbage with a person, she never would have gone on this journey, which which she does where she takes the garbage herself to, like, one of these garbage cans that have, like, a cover on the top, and so she's trying to cram it cram it in there, which I thought was funny. But in the recycling bin, she finds some milk cartons, which which are not like I don't know. They look a little bit fake.
Victoria:They do kind of look a little fake and they're all the kinds like strawberry, chocolate, and vanilla. They seem to be equally distributed. And they are the ones that you would give to kids for school at lunch.
Matt:Yeah. Exactly. They they look exactly like lunch curtains and they're not like you never see any of the tall curtains. They're all like handheld sort of yeah.
Victoria:And it's showing us again, like, the idea of contrast of, like, we view milk as a very pure thing that we give to children and it, you know, strengthens us, and it's good for us. But we don't really believe at least I don't believe that these others are at all. You know, I think they're very much the opposite. So
Matt:And and and it turns out that they are that these things are kinda fake. Like like it like at the beginning, like, there's there's this, like, sort of a pastel motif. It reminds me in the first episode when when the scientists are all in their different colored, like, outfits working on the I don't know if that's a I don't know if that's a clue or not, because they were still humans at that point. So Yeah. I don't know.
Matt:Maybe.
Victoria:They're still humans with the boss. They're still humans.
Matt:Maybe the oh, so wait a minute. Woah. Is that what you're saying? That's what I'm saying. Oh, I didn't so you're saying these are unconverted people.
Victoria:Or I'm saying like those so Carol has episodes, and this is why these others don't care. Because if she kills 8,000,000 people, there's 8,000,000 things of food. So you're just gonna freeze them for a while.
Matt:Right. Right.
Victoria:But then we're seeing, like, the group of different colors with the scientists. Mhmm. And now they're in different colors of milk boxes. Right. Right.
Victoria:Like, just symbolically.
Matt:I I have to go back to the tape, but but I feel like there is like, there's like a pinky strawberry pastel color. There's a green color. Yeah.
Victoria:There was.
Matt:Who knows? But Maybe we're reaching,
Victoria:but I still like it.
Matt:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So she grabs one of these cartons and looks at it. And and I don't know if you you have it in your notes, but like, what was her detective journey to get to where she finally got to?
Matt:So she finds these cartons, then what happens?
Victoria:Yeah. So she finds the cartons. She realizes that something's going on. She realizes the crows in the bag are taking the thing. So she takes a bag with her.
Matt:Right.
Victoria:She brings it back to her space. And then she notices, like, when it falls over, there's a barcode.
Matt:Mhmm.
Victoria:So she starts going through the grocery store
Matt:to Where did milk she she she went to the milk place first. That Duke Duke. What is it called? Duke City milk? Yeah.
Matt:That's where she gets that bag of whatever this stuff is.
Victoria:Yeah.
Matt:Right. Okay. So she goes there and then the crows are right. Because she I thought there was a person there, but it turns out it's crows.
Victoria:Yeah. We thought it was
Matt:So she's in one of these milk factory places, then she takes a bag home. Got it. Yeah. Then she sets up another camera.
Victoria:Yep. She sets up another camera to leave another message to the survivors saying, like, I've found this. I've I have proven that I am starting to win because they've all left the city. Yep. We know it's by omission.
Victoria:But now, at this point, I've learned that they specifically separate and that they're drinking this item that is not milk at all, but it's in a milk container. And now I've gone to the dairy store or factory. And that this is the mysterious powder that they're all consuming. And then she does a chemistry test. And she's like, well, you know, there's no smell.
Victoria:There's no Like, she even tasted at one point. Did she? A little sip.
Matt:Oh.
Victoria:Yeah. But she's She says that it's neutral. Like, it has the same
Matt:Yes. She she's got a hot tub and she's she's desperate for like, strips for her hot tub.
Victoria:The chemical balance is the same for something that's neutral, 7.1. So it's the same as celery or water.
Matt:Right. And and there's no chlorine in it, which
Victoria:she knows. There's no chlorine.
Matt:Which may or may not be helpful in any way.
Victoria:She's in her chemistry knowledge. That's what she
Matt:knows. Oh, and that's all she's got. She's got a hot hot tub testing kit. And the liquid is kind of a creepy, kind of ambery Yeah. Color, which is so so she's determined that it's a mixture of that powder plus water.
Matt:That's what they're they're drinking in these cartons.
Victoria:What if it's like human plasma and like
Matt:That's kinda what I wonder. It's like processed. Mhmm. Yeah. I don't know.
Matt:It's gonna be it's gonna be an interesting final episode. You know, we're I mentioned last episode, we're in the we're in the endgame now. Mhmm. Like, not the endgame. We're we're halfway times.
Matt:Well, yeah. For sure. But but this is episode five, and there are only nine episodes. So this episode halfway through is kinda like the halfway point of the of the whole show.
Victoria:So Yep.
Matt:So we're entering the second half of the show as she's kind of making these discoveries. So she records another tape. She's got this information. And then she sends the tape out.
Victoria:Yep. Has an olive oil texture.
Matt:That's right. Yeah. Olive oil. Yeah. Yeah.
Matt:Which is kinda what it looks like.
Victoria:Oh, so this time, she gets upset. Like, in the second time she's making a tape She did a second recording. Yeah. Yeah. She got rid of the first one because she got emotionally charged.
Victoria:And then the second time, we presume that she films the second one without the emotional charge.
Matt:And this is the first time she's kinda cared. Like, I remember when she left the the dinner, she she had no problem acting a fool and getting really upset and and storming out. But now, I think she knows if she's she's really serious about this and and if she wants to capture the rest of the survivor's attention, she's gotta be collected and calm and get them on her side. However, we don't see her recording the second tape. She delete we see her delete the thing and I just because there's so many fan theories about everything.
Matt:I said this last time about the heroin. Right? If we don't I think when you're a TV writer, if we don't show Carol flushing the heroin down the toilet, someone's gonna have this theory of, well, she actually kept it. We didn't see the flush, so she actually kept the heroin water or something. But that's think that's what you have to do.
Matt:So it's interesting to me that we didn't see her record the second version of We see her delete the first one. So we know that whatever she sent out was not the first tape. But presumably, I think it's safe to say that she recorded the same information, same same content. Sets it out, watches the drone take it away a second time. Now, this is an important timing thing for me because if I'm the others, I'm still watching her and I'm I'm the evil others.
Matt:I'm still watching her with the predator drone. Right? I know where she is at all times, but I don't know that she's necessarily discovered what she's discovered. Although, I like, we'll see. I I know that she's been to the milk factory.
Victoria:Mhmm.
Matt:So I'm a little I'm a little confused as to why the others aren't intervening already. Yep. But once they see what's on that tape, which they're going to because they have to translate it, is are are we gonna finally see the evil version of the others who are gonna have to react in in some way? Or are they truly evil but also naive? Like, as naive as they are and and for whatever reason, have to tell the truth and have to have to, you know, maintain people's autonomy.
Matt:But I for me, I think the clock is ticking as soon as that that video gets picked up because now the others are gonna know what she knows
Victoria:Mhmm.
Matt:If they don't already. And so then what happens? She what what triggers her
Victoria:The wolves again.
Matt:Oh, the right. Okay.
Victoria:The wolves come in and now they start bare like digging around hens And she's like, oh, no, no, no, no. And she tries to go after them at first again with the golf club and it doesn't work.
Matt:Yep.
Victoria:And then she breaks down. Also in this scene, I'm not sure at what point it is, but she We realized that Carol is more serious and more emotional because she picks up her drink a few times and she doesn't drink it. She puts it back down. She's not self soothing. She's on the road to do So, She tries to move these wolves so that they stop.
Matt:Right. She tries to grab a shotgun out of the out of the cop car. Yeah. And like, can't can't undo it, which comes back later in a great way. Mhmm.
Matt:But then drives the cop car through her own fence to scare them off, which is which was a pretty awesome moment.
Victoria:Yep. And so she drives through, and then she falls asleep. She stays the whole night so that she's on she's protecting Helen. Yep. And we also know she's, like, protecting humanity.
Victoria:Right? So more symbolism, if you wanna look into it that way. But, yeah, she's there. She wakes up, and then she goes to the builder's store. Right.
Victoria:And then she gets the stuff to, like, basically make this, like, tile slab back there so that, the wolves can't dig there. We also realize too that when she's not panicked, she can open the gun. Yeah. She And And it's like, oh, there's She already has the keys to take the handcuffs
Matt:Which which I was I like
Victoria:I thought it was a universal key too, to be honest.
Matt:Oh, maybe it is. Yeah. But the I'm not certain. I don't have a lot of experience being a man that feels but the the fact that she was wearing that cuff for so long Yeah. For me, I thought she was doing it on purpose.
Matt:Like, I thought she always had the keys. I thought it was kind of like a penance for what she did to Zosia. Like, it was kind of like a way of her being punished for it in her own mind.
Victoria:I think it still keeps it attached to her too and then away. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.
Victoria:Like, her expression when she lifted up the key Mhmm. Was kinda like, to me, it seemed like, oh, of course, goddamn it.
Matt:Yeah. It did too. So maybe I'm way off, but but it kinda it yeah. It it did seem like, wouldn't she know the keys are on there the whole time? But anyway
Victoria:Well, that's wouldn't she know that there is a safety button to I suppose take the such. Gun out in the cop car. Yeah. Yeah. But the emotion is but I think that's kind of the message.
Victoria:Is it like, if you can calm down.
Matt:Mhmm. Mhmm.
Victoria:If you can take the step back and look out of yourself. Yeah. Then you can find the answer. Right. And it's been there all along.
Matt:Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.
Victoria:You know? But great symbolism for it. Yep. Smashes through. Yep.
Victoria:And then after she does the moment, she paints that tombstone for Helen, which is really nice.
Matt:Beautiful. Yeah.
Victoria:Yeah. Then she makes the second recording again, and she's
Matt:Okay. Yeah. Because that that's that's what I'm wondering. Did we did did the wolves come back the second time before the tape? Did I jump ahead?
Matt:She's recording now?
Victoria:Yeah. After She's recording now.
Matt:That's good. Because I was like, the clock is ticking now. Because I think what happens is she records the tape, the others the others grab it, and then something triggers her to think, oh, she finds the barcode. Right? Is that is that what
Victoria:it is? Yeah. So the second time she's making it, she has the pile with her and she that she's found from the dairy plant, and it knocks over and there's a barcode. Right. And she's like, oh, that means there has to be
Matt:New clue. Yeah. I'm gonna go scan this barcode at the grocery Which for me was like genius. But also I was like, why would it be in the system? Why would it why would it scan at all?
Matt:And indeed it doesn't.
Victoria:Yeah. Well, because that's the thing is if it's not from that store that has that distribution, then it won't have it. But it got her going, and somehow she found something that still matched it with the dog.
Matt:This is a little confusing for me. The bags are similar to the dog food. She goes find and finds a dog food bag.
Victoria:The, again, symbolism, like the dogs were trying to eat Helen.
Matt:Right. Yeah.
Victoria:And now she finds that this dairy thing And matches dog
Matt:Minusos, last episode, eating dog food out of a can. Yes. A bit of a motif happening here.
Victoria:Mhmm.
Matt:But so she finds a barcode on that bag or she finds she finds where that bag was packed. Yep. And it it it's a local local Albuquerque company.
Victoria:She drives to Albuquerque.
Matt:She
Victoria:She gets in the car immediately and goes to Albuquerque.
Matt:Well, she's in Albuquerque. Oh. Lives in Albuquerque. So she's like like, okay, this is a local business. I can go right to where they they packed this.
Matt:So so she goes to that warehouse.
Victoria:Mhmm.
Matt:And now we're in like, not it's not the milk place, but it's like a dog food packing place, I assume.
Victoria:Well, you think initially, because they were talking about keeping you know, we're storing the food because we're you know, we have to keep it and contain it so that it lasts for you. So, yeah, you think initially, it's just the grocery storage.
Matt:Yeah.
Victoria:And then she moves with great difficulty, like further and further into the freezer. Mhmm. Mhmm. And then, yeah, she gets to this bag.
Matt:Right. Right.
Victoria:And at first, she seems like she doesn't understand what it is. Mhmm. And then she's hit with, like, a horror and shock.
Matt:Mhmm.
Victoria:Yeah. And then it ends.
Matt:And then black screen.
Victoria:Mhmm.
Matt:Executive producer, Vince Gilligan.
Victoria:Yes.
Matt:So I would love to know we we should make this a segment on the show. Victoria's corner when it comes to acting. What did you think of the the acting situation this whole episode? Give me your overall thoughts on that.
Victoria:Overall thoughts? I mean, she's incredible. The whole team is just amazing. But getting to see I was happy to see it because we got to see her redemption. Her, like, I'm finally finally making headway.
Victoria:So that, like, triumphant scream on top of the building, fuck you. Like,
Matt:said, yes.
Victoria:You know, don't need anything. Kick that toxic person ahead of your level.
Matt:Yeah. Except also come pick up my garbage. Because she she does need a little help.
Victoria:Well, the thing is the drone is kinda like that symbolic mediator. You know, you break up with someone and then you're like, I left some stuff there. I gotta take my trash. I don't want Yeah. Want your stuff anymore.
Matt:But And that's a great point though, because that's a like, not to get too screen rater y, but, like, if if you've got nine episodes, the fifth episode kind of has to be a turning point Mhmm. Into a new part of the show.
Victoria:Yeah. From the writer's perspective. Yeah. And the audience too. Right?
Victoria:Like For sure. If we had gone a couple more episodes like that, we probably would have lost a lot of audience.
Matt:Right. For sure.
Victoria:Just more wallowing of like, I can't do this. Like
Matt:Yeah. And it's interesting because episodes one and two come out at the same time. It's funny how how, like, you have to like, a show like Breaking Bad, you're rewatching it. People rewatch it all the time. So they're they're consuming it at their own pace.
Matt:We're watching everything they give us as quickly as we can. Right? So we're gonna watch episodes one and two at the same time. Mhmm. So if you're if you're on the writing staff, you're like, okay, we're gonna drip information out carefully.
Matt:But when when people who are watching in real time have to wait a week between episodes, we have to be more careful about how much we wanna share. Because we wanna keep people interested, but and we don't wanna we want we don't want people to get bored, but we also can't give them too much information too quickly. Otherwise, it'll get get to, you know, the the the show will be over too fast or or or it'll be too much at one time. So so, yeah, from the acting reflection, like, is an important episode, I think. Think I it's we're gonna look back on this episode as a very important episode by the end of the season, for sure.
Victoria:Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, we're starting to Sherlock Holmes unclub uncover a bit of
Matt:the pieces. She's finally really in detective Yeah.
Victoria:She's there, and she's locked in, and she's serious, which is great to see. And one of my coaches, rest in peace, David Rothenberg, he had he was a great instructor, but he was explaining about how the audience and the actor, like, nobody likes seeing someone who's just constantly wallowing. Right. Like, we need to have that hero archetype. We need to have that sort of underdog that we're rooting for.
Victoria:So
Matt:Mhmm. And when we're alone with Carol so much Mhmm. When you when you talk about, like, her choice not to to take a drink, that's so it's such a big and important moment. Right? It's such a big thing.
Matt:It says so much about her because we don't have her in a lot of conversations. And even when she is in a conversation, like last episode, there was the great conversation at the dinner table where she really started to understand the others a lot a lot better. Even when she's with them, we're we're not she's not with another human. She's with something else, and it's not and so it's not like a human conversation.
Victoria:On the actor side, I saw how the actress that played Zosia, how complicated that is for her. Because as an actor, your whole thing is to be present and to respond
Matt:Yeah.
Victoria:In tune with how you're responding emotionally. If you're upset, then I have to be upset too because we're here together for it. But her whole character was like, I have to absorb her feeling and then be happy. Right. Being grounded in that happiness because she's not psychotic.
Matt:Right.
Victoria:She's not, like, deliriously happy, but she's grounded in her happiness and how difficult that acting sounds.
Matt:For sure. Yeah. Yeah. And reminds me of something she said at the premiere, which you can hear on the Happy Sad Confused podcast because they were recording that. She said something really great, which was that, like, usually, if you're if you're an actor, you're and you and you have to do something you don't you've never done before, maybe it's ride a horse or or fly a plane or or or at least taxi a plane across a runway.
Matt:You can you you can usually use the nerves that you have of never having done that in the performance. Right? Because usually your character's also like in an in an uncomfortable situation. Not the others. Right?
Matt:The others are always just like, even Kiel. And so so, yeah, you have to be calm, cool, and collected. So, yeah, it's it's gotta be an interesting acting thing. And it sounds like like, imagine that that nurse or doctor who who Carol spoke to and said, is she gonna be okay? That person probably just came in for that day, for that moment.
Matt:I don't think they get to know what's going on with their character. Really, they don't know that they're part of a a collective. Like, I don't think they share that with with with people who are just like day Dayplayers. Dayplayers.
Victoria:Yeah. Don't usually know.
Matt:So that's gotta be a weird thing to to try to dive into.
Victoria:Yeah. How is she? She's gonna be fine.
Matt:I guess you just give the you don't like this person.
Victoria:Daycut. Bye. Yeah. Interesting.
Matt:So, yeah. I I like like I say, in so many ways, this show is a fascinating look into film and television, just scenes and moments that we don't get very often, and there are lots of reasons why. And the performances are are really a big a big part of it. But also, the staging and blocking, it's all things that we don't get to see in other shows very often.
Victoria:And we have lots of moments of introspection on Carol, and just a lot of time only on Carol.
Matt:Yes. Yeah.
Victoria:Yeah. And she holds us.
Matt:Mhmm.
Victoria:Right? Like, she keeps our attention Yeah. In the silence. And that's when you can tell an incredible actor.
Matt:For sure. Exactly. Yeah. And and it's like, man, I I was I was saying when I watched the last episode for the second time, I watched it with somebody, and I said, like, this scene where she watches herself watching the tape or she she watches the tape of of of herself. That whole I like I think she got an Emmy.
Matt:Think that was her Emmy winning performance.
Victoria:Mean, it's true as an actor too, and you have to. You have to watch yourself tapes.
Matt:Right.
Victoria:You have to.
Matt:Yeah. Yeah.
Victoria:But it's literally the worst thing.
Matt:Yeah. Of course. Whenever
Victoria:you're watching it, you're like, Ah! But, you know, when you watch it, then you see where the critiques are. It's like any athlete, right? Like, you can visualize where it is that you wanna go in the performance you wanna have, and then while you're in the state of play Mhmm. You can see where an error might have happened or what have you.
Victoria:A a better decision could be made.
Matt:Right.
Victoria:Or a different decision could be made. And then you see the difference between the takes. Yeah, visualizing it and then dreaming it into being. But then also, like any athlete or anything, there's so much prep involved. And then you need to have just the faith and the presence when it happens that you're in that play.
Victoria:Right. Because if you're not, then you're pushing and the audience can tell that you're trying to force a feeling. And now you are acting. Yeah. And I'm the reality of that world's broken.
Matt:Yeah.
Victoria:And I don't wanna watch anymore.
Matt:For sure. Yeah.
Victoria:So fascinating.
Matt:Very much so. Yeah. Thank you for that.
Victoria:The What about from I love making films too, but
Matt:from Yeah.
Victoria:You know, in in mass corner from a filmmaking trying to view.
Matt:Yeah. I mean, there's like like that shot of of all the cars leaving on the highway, another thing we don't we don't really get to see very often.
Victoria:Again, just let me be, like, a fly on the wall while you guys are shit. Like, kid, I'm sure they would have so many people doing that, but, like, you could probably have an army of people. I will be quiet. It'll be a yoga experience
Matt:Totally.
Victoria:Or a mental, like, Buddhism retreat. Yeah. But just sit there and be quiet and watch them produce it. Like, I would pay for that.
Matt:For sure. Yeah. The closest we get is the official podcast. It's it's fantastic. So we do hear from, like, Dave Porter, the the composer for the show, and the director of this episode, and and it's and the writer.
Matt:And so yeah. I mean, I think I guess the big thing for me is is I I keep going back to the writing, right, and the story. Like, I feel like a show like this has to be really, really, really carefully thought out. I don't think they even talk about this on the official podcast, or maybe they do. But, you know, we know that they built Carol's neighborhood.
Matt:All of all of those houses in Carol's little circle there are all built for the show with, you know, with that barren wasteland, you know, behind her that allows her to drive her car through the like, imagine you lived in a in a like, it'd be hard to drive your car through your fence in, like, at my house, but pretty easy to do for for for her where she where she lives. Same with the grenades. Like like, all of that had to be planned before they started building that the house the houses there. Right? Like, they had to know that they could do that grenade gag.
Matt:They had to know that she could drive through that fence. All of that comes with really, really good planning, and and I think that's that's what the show really shows in the behind the scenes is like, wow, people have time to really plan things out and plan that whole neighborhood as an example.
Victoria:And the choreography. Right? You mentioned that they have a day or two to rehearse.
Matt:Days to rehearse. You don't get that at all.
Victoria:Oh my gosh. You're gonna pay me to rehearse one day and then
Matt:And not even shoot. We're not even gonna shoot. Right? It's crazy. Yeah.
Victoria:Yeah. I've seen something my friend was on oh, what was it? Trying to remember. But in Toronto, they were doing this big movie about, like, many people being blind.
Matt:Okay.
Victoria:So the background actors had to learn and rehearse Right.
Matt:I remember this
Victoria:a few days before about because how difficult that is. Right? But, yeah, the fact that they have the time, and it shows too, I think, right? Like, how well this team works together as a unit. Yes.
Victoria:Yeah. Like, it's being executed so well. So how this Here's a question for our filmmakers, like, how do you keep a good unit together over a long period of time? And I'm sure some people, as it does, will swap or fade out or what have you. But how do you still bring in a new member and
Matt:That's a great point.
Victoria:Keep them included.
Matt:That's a great point. How do you integrate into a really well oiled machine carefully? And it sounds like when new people do enter the fold, whether they're on camera or behind the camera, they are really well treated and really well respected and really welcomed in, which is amazing and and so nice. But, even even in the post production, Dave Porter was talking about how it's not true on a lot of shows that he gets as much time to work on his music as he does because you kind of have to have not done done, but you kinda have to have the edit pretty close to being locked before you add music because music is so tied to the tempo of the editing and and the and the revelations that happen there. And so if you start changing things after the music is made, well, now the composer has to change and and and readjust to all of that.
Matt:So you kinda have to wait until things are pretty close to being done. And, again, it just sounds like that's a rare opportunity. And and, again, it's that Apple money helps too. I'm sure, like like, they've got a big, big budget. I don't know what I don't know what it is.
Matt:I wonder if we can find that information out, but they've obviously got a lot of money behind this show.
Victoria:Yes. They do. Yeah. But it seems like their investment's paying off.
Matt:For sure. Yeah. So episode five, is what we just watched. Episode six Mhmm. December 5 is is the release date for that.
Victoria:December 5.
Matt:So December 4, 7PM at, if you're in Alberta, that's when that's when it drops. But I I saw on Apple TV the little promo image for the next episode. It's Kumba. Kumba's coming. Yes.
Matt:I'm so excited.
Victoria:Yeah. It seems like he's in Vegas.
Matt:It does seem Yeah.
Victoria:And all the ladies are really pretty hanging out around. Indeed. Indeed. Yeah. Even their expressions are pretty interesting, though.
Matt:Yeah. You're right. I I noticed that as well. Because I because those are others, and and they all must know what Carol's up to. And Carol has I don't know.
Matt:Maybe maybe they truly disappeared and are leaving Carol alone for real, but I have to think they're watch they're still watching her with things like predator drones. They have the entire CIA spy apparatus to, like, to use on Carol if they wanted to. So I don't know. Maybe they're genuinely leaving her alone, but I have to think they know what she's up to. So, so I'm very curious.
Matt:I'm very, curious to see. So do you think we go to Vegas? Do you think Carol goes to Vegas?
Victoria:I mean, I if they well, we'll find out if others have done what she's asked. Right. Because if they have, then he would have received that video.
Matt:There'll be another video.
Victoria:So maybe we'll receive we'll watch him receiving the video.
Matt:Right.
Victoria:And see whether or not he decides to keep gambling. Maybe. Yeah. Yeah. Or if he's like kind of seen through the vice of what's going on.
Matt:Right. Right.
Victoria:Interesting. And now actually wants some individuality.
Matt:Yeah. It if you're going to Vegas, it's gonna be an expensive episode too. Like, if they're gonna show us what's going on there Oh, yeah. Because they've kind of gotten away. Like, I remember when, you know, Zosia just had an excavator dropped in into Carol's backyard.
Matt:Yep. That's the kind of thing that, like, we haven't seen a whole like, obviously, the grocery store, amazing, huge. But, like, that's still sort of localized to a community. I feel like Air Force One is an example of, oh, okay. We're seeing something that is really expensive, really hard to access.
Matt:I I think we're probably going back to to the the high expensive set pieces this episode.
Victoria:Yes. Yeah. We've had a couple episodes now where we've been in the town. Mhmm. I mean, the the dairy factory should be, you know, interesting.
Victoria:The hospital as always
Matt:Mhmm.
Victoria:For sure. But The big Yeah. Another Shooting in Vegas. Yeah. Yeah.
Victoria:Because we're gonna as the viewer, we're gonna wanna see.
Matt:For sure. Yeah.
Victoria:Right? Like Treasure Island and Caesar's Palace.
Matt:That'd be a bond treasure. Right? Like Yeah. So we'll see. But just a just a note for for our show, I'm gonna be away.
Matt:I get back December 5. So so our episode will be a little bit delayed. And also, you're gonna have to wait a lot longer because we're we're it's gonna be over a week. So for whatever reason, Apple decided to drop episode five, the one we're talking about today, a little bit early. So we've got we won't see you for a little for a little while.
Matt:Sorry. Yeah. But we'll be back. Probably December 6, we'll have our episode. Mhmm.
Matt:Yeah. Well, thanks for being here, Victoria.
Victoria:Thank you for the opportunity and just for the great chat. It's always awesome.
Matt:Oh, know what I forgot to do last time? Tell us who you are. Where can people find out more about you?
Victoria:Oh, wow. Thank you. Yeah. You can find me on Instagram. I find is what people are using the most.
Victoria:So, vgivlin at vgivlin. Or you can follow my production page at ascentstories. And yeah. Or ascentstories.com if you'd like, or vgivlingmail dot com, or victoria to send stories. You know, there's so many channels that we need to be connected to.
Victoria:But, yeah, feel free to reach out. Send me a message, or comment on our YouTube
Matt:Yep.
Victoria:Channels, our Instagram channels. We're pretty active on responding on the Instagram comments too. So For sure. Yeah. Yeah.
Victoria:Thanks.
Matt:Yeah. And Where can they find you? Thank you. I appreciate it. But also, I just wanna mention, because I think a lot of our listeners are from Alberta, you're hosting a Christmas party with a few other organizations.
Matt:Yeah. It's our last chance to promote that. When is that?
Victoria:So it is December 5.
Matt:It's December 5?
Victoria:It'll be the day that the next episode is launched. So we will be at that party at that time. Yes. And probably a late night watch for me, but
Matt:I get back on December 5. So I will see if I if I can make it to the party. But, yeah.
Victoria:It starts at 06:30. It's at Cornerstone College on the 4th Floor as we've partnered with the Screen Acting Academy and Cornerstone College and my company Ascent Stories. Cool. So it's gonna be a lot of fun. Mhmm.
Victoria:We've got Fraser and Fig that'll be doing, like, charcuterie for us for the evening, and we've got an industry panel.
Matt:I saw some people on the panel.
Victoria:Yeah. It'll be pretty cool. Jason Therian Yeah. Aldona from Sif, and James. It'll be great.
Matt:Yeah.
Victoria:And got Wendy as well. It'll be a great And we'll have some mingling. I think Mike asked too that maybe at the end, for those that wanna stick around, we might play a game of charades or something.
Matt:Sweet. That's fun.
Victoria:And we've got, like, some gift bags to give everyone. So it'll just be a good festive get together and then a launch for the holiday. So
Matt:Very cool. Well, where how can people get tickets to that?
Victoria:Eventbrite. Eventbrite is the easiest thing. So looking at the Christmas industry networking party.
Matt:Okay.
Victoria:Or you can go to the screenactingacademy.com, and it also will take you straight to the Eventbrite page as well.
Matt:Yeah. You can find me at matt waterworth on pretty much everything. I'm gonna I'm gonna say it right now. I'm gonna do I'm I'm launching a little workshop. I'm gonna do a workshop for folks who wanna do some grants writing.
Matt:Oh. We've got grant deadlines coming up in the next couple months here. So if you're planning to do a grant, I've I've got a few $100,000 in grant, grants earned. So I'd love to walk through, yeah. Please join in if you want to.
Victoria:How are you doing this?
Matt:You can you can find out more about it, at mattwaterworth.com. Okay. And, yeah, you'll be able to sign up for it, and it's gonna be like a multi week thing where I walk through your grant application with you and hopefully have it ready to apply for, you know, like, the March 2 deadline for the Alberta Foundation for the Arts. So sorry if you're not from Alberta. Those are very Alberta specific things we're we're talking about.
Matt:But if you need help with your grant, wherever you are, I'm happy to help. Yeah. So as far as the show goes, pluripod.com has all the places you can listen. Thanks for listening. Thanks for subscribing.
Matt:See you.
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